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re: Arizona abortion ruling, which Democrats decry, splits Republicans and abortion opponents

Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
52553 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 4:56 pm to
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*and moderate Republicans, especially women...and they vote


The abortion zealots will make sure the GOP never has control again.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:34 pm to
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Run ads having Tump and other republicans running for federal office say "If you want abortion contact your state legislature. It is a state issue not a federal one."



Why is it a state issue?


So you can feel good about being “pro life” but not actually have to be pro life in order to win elections?

There are federal murder statutes. Why is this murder not worth a federal statute?

In fact given women traveling to pay for abortion it’s regulating interstate commerce.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 5:35 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:44 pm to
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Why is it a state issue?


"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32978 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:46 pm to
So where do the statues for federal murder come into play?


Is that a life that is aborted?
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:47 pm to
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So where do the statues for federal murder come into play?


Those were deemed racist and torn down during the BLM riots.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
41055 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:51 pm to
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Run ads having Tump and other republicans running for federal office say "If you want abortion contact your state legislature. It is a state issue not a federal one."

That's literally what they're going to do in AZ

This will hurt Trump, bigly.


Not if Trump is the one in the ads and the Republican candidates line up behind him.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
52553 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:53 pm to
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Adam Banks



You are definitely not a Federalist.


Pricks like you are going to ensure abortion is enshrined in federal law.

Along with everything else the dems want.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32978 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:54 pm to
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Those were deemed racist and torn down during the BLM riots.



Yes avoid the argument that you can’t argue because of a autocorrect typo.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:54 pm to
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The abortion zealots will make sure the GOP never has control again.


Clearly. They don't want to win elections
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32978 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:58 pm to
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You are definitely not a Federalist.


Not on a significant moral issue.

Either it’s murder or it’s not.


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Pricks like you are going to ensure abortion is enshrined in federal law.



They will try to do this regardless of what I want. I’m standing up for life and advocating preventing the only pro life party to not be shifted DRAMATICALLY to the left on said issue.


Somehow people who claim to be “pro life” are perfectly fine with their neighbor murdering their baby as long as they have to drive two states over to do it.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32978 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 5:59 pm to
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Clearly. They don't want to win elections


There are plenty of purple state candidates who won AFTER signing/voting for restrictions on abortions.


Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
52553 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:02 pm to
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There are plenty of purple state candidates who won AFTER signing/voting for restrictions on abortions.



List them.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
52553 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:03 pm to
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They will try to do this regardless of what I want.


Not if the GOP has the WH.

Yet you refuse to vote GOP for President because Trump is not for a nationwide ban on abortion.
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
Member since Oct 2023
775 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:08 pm to
Not really, this proves Trumps appointments were good ones, they sent it back to the states. Now, if this comes up again the SC could always confirm a baby is a human being and outlaw abortion

Trumps argument always was leave it up to the states. This means nothing, in presidential races you do not need gimmicks to turn out the vote. Those people will look at their wallets, inflation, the endless wars, etc. etc.
Posted by wareagle7298
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2013
1968 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:25 pm to
These guys keep bragging about 2022. What did they get out of it? Whether the Republicans controlled 5 more seats, or 40, it didn't matter. It is like hanging a banner saying you won the SEC-West in football with an 8 and 4 record.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32978 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:27 pm to
Kim Reynolds
Ron Desantis
Brian Kemp
Ted Budd
Jd Vance
Ron Johnson-you can say that he softened by calling for a statewide vote on it but he has sponsored legislation on it on the record and won reelection
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
33185 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:30 pm to
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That's literally what they're going to do in AZ

This will hurt Trump, bigly.



Trump and the RNC have to get out ahead of this, but there is a faction of the GOPe that are working to make this a mainstream issue again.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
32978 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:32 pm to
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Not if the GOP has the WH. Yet you refuse to vote GOP for President because Trump is not for a nationwide ban on abortion.



Same thing as if I make sure pro life people represent me in Congress.


Congress has to pass the law.

Biden can’t pass anything himself.

If Pro lifers win and Trump is punished at the ballot box then my voice is amplified.

Every GOPer has to respect life if they want to win.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9914 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:35 pm to
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Every GOPer has to respect life if they want to win.


I disagree. I think that from now on, it's more likely that every GOPer will have to understand that abortion isn't going away.

Time will tell.
Posted by GoblinGuide
Member since Nov 2017
1686 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:37 pm to
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Apparently people (ie women) prefer to be sluts and murders


Can't imagine why Republicans struggle with women.
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