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re: Are People Liberal; or Conservative By Nature?
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Correct, in House. 3 Republicans opposed it, along with 63 Dems.
Wasn't voted unanimously by Republicans
98-1 in Senate. Unanimous GOP support.
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Posted on 8/10/23 at 3:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You say?
As, Obama signed extensions. Power is any politicians dream.
Yeah, Obama is a Democrat therefore corrupt.
Or should I say he was corrupt, therefore he became a member of the 2 party system?
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:02 pm to Corinthians420
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Or should I say he was corrupt, therefore he became a member of the 2 party system?
Anyone aspiring to National office will sell out. Its a popularity contest and a donations race
This post was edited on 8/10/23 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:04 pm to Corinthians420
Yours is the same moral conceit that we've discussed here for years. By saying the Parties are all EQUALLY corrupt you can stand above the fray and imagine that everyone is equally culpable. It's a child-like notion, that blame is spread equally among Parties, by nature of our individual corruption as humans. It's like saying the Nazis and the Weimar Republic were both corrupt. Yeah. But then what? And to what degree?
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:07 pm to Scientific73
a couple factors.
the individual who is dealing with survival issues and especially if the tribe is struggling vs other tribes or nature, survival is #1.
when the individual moves up maslows pyramid he can be idealistic.
we have to take into account some karmic propensity.
spiritual notions and spiritual growth or capacity.
i see woke as a higher vibration.
my observation is people have warped definitions so woke means some dumb idea no woke people share.
the individual who is dealing with survival issues and especially if the tribe is struggling vs other tribes or nature, survival is #1.
when the individual moves up maslows pyramid he can be idealistic.
we have to take into account some karmic propensity.
spiritual notions and spiritual growth or capacity.
i see woke as a higher vibration.
my observation is people have warped definitions so woke means some dumb idea no woke people share.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:08 pm to CelticDog
quote:
i see woke as a higher vibration.
Its an abject denial of human nature
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:09 pm to Lsupimp
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By saying the Parties are all EQUALLY corrupt you can stand above the fray
Nope, I get to be drug down with the rest of you while our country goes down the shitter. Which is why I like to point out both parties are responsible.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:12 pm to Corinthians420
Sure. But one is INFINITELY MORE DESTRUCTIVE than the other. One is openly hostile to our most cherished American traditions, principles, ideals and Institutions. The other is feckless and incompetent and waving the white flag of cultural surrender to the party that is causing the cultural collapse.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:15 pm to Lsupimp
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Sure. But one is INFINITELY MORE DESTRUCTIVE than the other.
Wanting to destroy the foundations of a nation seems pretty destructive to me. They believe a better utopia will arise from the ashes
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:18 pm to Lsupimp
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But one is INFINITELY MORE DESTRUCTIVE than the other. One is openly hostile to our most cherished American traditions, principles, ideals and Institutions.
Let me know what I can do to stop them from Louisiana.
I see no victory in voting for the "lesser evil" when the 2 party train keeps rolling down the tracks as long as either one is elected. They work together to keep it so they all stay in power. If one side loses, they don't really care because they know in a few years itll be their turn again
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:21 pm to Lsupimp
quote:Ideologues on both sides do agree on this point.quote:Sure. But one is INFINITELY MORE DESTRUCTIVE than the other.
both parties are responsible.
The point of disagreement lies in identifying which party.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:27 pm to CelticDog
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i see woke as a higher vibration.
It's the lowest vibration. Anti-freedom, authoritarian in nature, pro-Identity politics, picking winners and losers. It is the tribe but you like it because it's your tribe bludgeoning the larger culture. It's the opposite of growth or harmony or cooperation or any principle associated with a higher vibration. And nothing is hurting American progress more.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:30 pm to Naked Bootleg
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I've become convinced people are just born different. Different personality traits naturally steer them towards conservatism or liberalism as they age.
I can't recall one person I know that became more liberal as they aged....in fact it's been the exact opposite, the further they get away from public education /college they seem to become more conservative.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:34 pm to Scientific73
It's all theory until that first paycheck.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:38 pm to Scientific73
Women are born liberal, men are born conservative. If boys become effeminate, they will almost certainly turn liberal. If girls mature into confident women, they will almost certainly become conservative.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:41 pm to VolcanicTiger
There is a lot of truth in that.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:43 pm to Lsupimp
Collective vs individual, systems vs individual capital
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:53 pm to alajones
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That probably explains why people become more liberal as they become more educated
I think you forgot to put the air quotes around "educated". Nothing based on truth or reality is "learned" that results in liberalism, more so progressivism. Their "truth" is completely self-made, that is their entire philosophy.
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Collective vs individual
I think this is why we evolved to have both types at around a 50% clip.
you need an equal amount of tribe members looking out for the collective group, but when times get hard need survivors that can look out for themselves.
In good times it helped to have people that favor the collective, in bad times the individualists (conservatives) had to survive to procreate and carry on the human race
Posted on 8/10/23 at 4:56 pm to Corinthians420
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I think this is why we evolved to have both types at around a 50% clip.
Marxism which the left wing party is based upon is 100% collective.
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