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Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:09 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:Sadly throughout history societies have established, and furthered the principle that human beings have conditional rights. I don't believe this should be right but I'm outvoted.
Of course I can. The ONLY issue is this: is the unborn child a living human being. You have acknowledged that it is. The rest of your philosophizing is just bullshite. A human being has is supposed to have rights. The fact that it's legal to kill that human, who is supposed to have rights, is irrelevant. Since when is it "tyranny" to protect the lives of human beings? Arguing it from a "legal" point of view? WTF are you even talking about? I hope you're smarter than that. No one is debating the legality of it.
Including yes the right just to live. I can argue that the right to live should trump a woman's convenience. We aren't disagreeing about that if you noticed.
Will you chain a woman who does not wish to have her child so she doesn't have her hands free to potentially harm it? Force feed her, force her to bear it?
What will you do with them?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:57 am to llfshoals
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Will you chain a woman who does not wish to have her child so she doesn't have her hands free to potentially harm it? Force feed her, force her to bear it?
What will you do with them?
Now you've getting desperate. It's a dumb question, but ok, I'll at along.
You do exactly the same thing you would do to a woman who, after the child is born, doesn't feed or care for the baby. There are already laws on the books, for example, to punish a mother who gives birth to a drug addicted baby.
I'm glad you went in the direction of slavery, the Nazis, etc., so I didn't have to. You're right...we aren't arguing about whether or not the right to live trumps a woman's convenience.
So what we're arguing about is whether or not you have the conviction to vote what you SAY are your principles. You say you are outvoted. Maybe you're outvoted in your party, but not mine...or nationwide.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 12:20 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:I have no party. I have no interest in joining one although I will say it's rare I'll vote for a Democrat. Aren't a whole lot of Republicans I care to vote for either.
So what we're arguing about is whether or not you have the conviction to vote what you SAY are your principles. You say you are outvoted. Maybe you're outvoted in your party, but not mine...or nationwide.
You seem to think I want abortion to be legal. I don't, but until personal responsibility is valued I doubt anything is going to change.
I think you're fighting a battle when you should be fighting a war.
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