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re: Arbery made multiple visits, at night, to the house under construction (UPDATED)
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:58 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:58 pm to BamaGradinTn
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The Georgia laws regarding citizens arrest and use of deadly force have been posted on this board so many times that there's no point in me posting them again if you're too fricking stupid to read them.
But it doesn't fit the narrative of "The McMichaels were justified in going after Arbery."
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:00 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:that's 2 things. We're the 2 guys justified in trying to stop the guy? That's murky, there is citizens arrest in Georgia. Was the guy who shot him justified once the "jogger" charges him to take the gun? Legally, depends on if the until stop was illegal? Practically, yes. One someone is trying to wrest your gun from your hands, what else do you do besides shoot?
How does this justify him being chased down by a couple of vigilantes and shot to death?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:00 pm to RollTide1987
I don't see why it is permissible to kill someone for stealing shite. The state can't execute people for stealing shite. I understand it is the height of insult to have your shite stolen but if your life isn't endangered during the theft how on earth is killing the bastard justified? I have had shite stolen and there is not much on earth that pisses anyone off more....but I wouldn't kill someone over it. I am not a Christian so I have a much different POV about human life than believers do but for fricks sake how little can someone steal from you that killing them isn't going too far??? If the dude was stealing shite...and he probably was if he was stalking construction sites after hours....then there are far better ways to deter that....like simply confronting the bastard without brandishing a firearm. If you are afraid to do that then take photos or videos and call the police....they ain't skeered, they will confront the old boy. If he is merely a thief he won't be back if someone comes up and confronts him and he ain't going to escalate the situation if he can run off like the stinking thieving coward he is....if you suspect it may be more than a thief then let the cops handle it....your shite ain't worth dying over or killing over.....even if killing someone is something that wouldn't bother you the fall out is going to be far uglier than replacing the shite that was stolen.....
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Why does that matter?
You're asking why does the truth matter?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:05 pm to Wally Sparks
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But it doesn't fit the narrative of "The McMichaels were justified in going after Arbery."
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:06 pm to narddogg81
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How does this justify him being chased down by a couple of vigilantes and shot to death? that's 2 things. We're the 2 guys justified in trying to stop the guy? That's murky, there is citizens arrest in Georgia. Was the guy who shot him justified once the "jogger" charges him to take the gun? Legally, depends on if the until stop was illegal? Practically, yes. One someone is trying to wrest your gun from your hands, what else do you do besides shoot?
None of this makes and difference...……..the daddy is connected to the prosecutor to the point that the case is now in the hands of a third prosecutor....they ain't indicting one of their own. Dude's will walk with a justifiable homicide. Regardless of what the facts are they won't be indicted...and if they are indicted the prosecutors will mail in the case and their defense attorneys will look like geniuses and they will walk...they ain't going to prison because American justice does not indict and convict its own...if it did all of the frickers would be in prison for misconduct. Can't indict and convict the son and make a case for the father to be innocent of wrong doing so the son rides his fathers connections. I'll bet a coca cola on it.....
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:10 pm to Gtmodawg
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I don't see why it is permissible to kill someone for stealing shite. The state can't execute people for stealing shite. I understand it is the height of insult to have your shite stolen but if your life isn't endangered during the theft how on earth is killing the bastard justified?
They didn’t shoot him for stealing. He was shot when he attacked the younger McMichaels and a fight for the gun took place.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:12 pm to wackatimesthree
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While technically true, the part you're leaving out is that they were extremely willing to believe he was a thief despite having no first-hand knowledge of him committing a crime and based only on a very vague description of "lots of stolen property in the neighborhood."
We don't know this. What the media is reporting and what actually happened are two different things. Last week this guy was an innocent jogger who was mistaken for someone else. This week...it's starting to look like that is not the case.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:16 pm to narddogg81
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that's 2 things. We're the 2 guys justified in trying to stop the guy? That's murky, there is citizens arrest in Georgia. Was the guy who shot him justified once the "jogger" charges him to take the gun? Legally, depends on if the until stop was illegal? Practically, yes. One someone is trying to wrest your gun from your hands, what else do you do besides shoot?
Apparently it is perfectly legal in Georgia for me to detain someone I suspect of a crime until such time as the police can respond.
How long can I detain them until the police are contacted???? That is some SILLY shite to make legal.
What if the detained is not guilty of a crime??? The detainer should be arrested and charged with at the very least a violation of the person's civil rights. If am on a jury and some Karen has detained someone under false charges I would gladly give the detained EVERYTHING that fricker owned and anything he might earn or own in the future....that is old bullshite when the state does it...the victim ought to be made whole and paid punitive damages for the state over stepping in that matter....if it is a citizen who does it they should pay damages, real and punitive, and be charged with a crime and tried. I bet it doesn't happen very often if ever....but it should....there is nothing in common sense that would dictate that a citizen detain another on suspicion of a crime having been committed....that is simply silly.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:17 pm to lsu13lsu
quote:And that is not the reason the armed pursuit began.
There is a video of him at a construction site.
Glynn County Police Department Incident Report
quote:He is referring to previous videos, not to the incident which had just occurred.
McMichael stated there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video. McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins "hauling arse" down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and called to Travis (McMichael) and said, "Travis the guy is running down the street lets go".
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:18 pm to Gtmodawg
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I don't see why it is permissible to kill someone for stealing shite.
Why would you say such a thing? He wasn't killed because he was stealing shite.
They had ample opportunity to "kill" him when they were chasing him, but didn't. Only when dead dude tried to disarm them is when this happened.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:20 pm to HogBalls
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y made multiple visits, at night, to the house under constructionquote:I don't see why it is permissible to kill someone for stealing shite. The state can't execute people for stealing shite. I understand it is the height of insult to have your shite stolen but if your life isn't endangered during the theft how on earth is killing the bastard justified? They didn’t shoot him for stealing. He was shot when he attacked the younger McMichaels and a fight for the gun took place.
I meant in the larger scheme of things...the consensus seems to be that it is ok to shoot someone running out of your garage, say, with your weed whacker....I get the sentiment but is it really a reason to execute someone???
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:26 pm to Kentucker
Or copper wire.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:26 pm to Kentucker
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Stealing 2x4s?
Well theft is theft and theft makes people angry.. Make the wrong person angry enough and they may kill you.. IE: don't steal shite and don't fight people with weapons when you lacking in one..
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:28 pm to DarkDrifter
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Well theft is theft and theft makes people angry.. Make the wrong person angry enough and they may kill you.. IE: don't steal shite and don't fight people with weapons when you lacking in one..
Great legal defense.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:28 pm to Gtmodawg
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.your shite ain't worth dying over or killing over..
Your stuff = Time.....
Time you spent acquiring material possessions can never be regained.
Stop trying to downplay the value of "stuff".
If you want to make a difference, go preach to all the worthless thieves out there and tell them they may get shot if they don't change their ways.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:29 pm to prplngldtigr
Former kindergarten graduate.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:29 pm to RollTide1987
He could have been fleeing carrying a jackhammer. You still can't chase the dude down the street and execute him.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:30 pm to Gtmodawg
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your shite ain't worth dying over or killing over
And it wasn't even their shite...
Posted on 5/11/20 at 1:31 pm to oogabooga68
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Stop trying to downplay the value of "stuff".
Is it worth the potential jail time they might face?
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