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re: Any of you still support Antifa at this point? They're hateful and violent

Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:19 am to
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:19 am to
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the goal was to shut down the speech of the group (and it worked)



How did it shut it down? The police did their job and separated the groups and allowed them to hold their rally in the park. If they chose to end it, that's on them. They had the gazebo and park to themselves to speak as freely as they wanted to.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:19 am to
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Who has a problem with this?


you do, obviously


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:20 am to
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I believe this to be a minority opinion held by the most vocal

most counter protests do not end in violence

i'm not talking about direct violence to accomplish this goal
Posted by TigerCruise
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:21 am to
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if you can't see how all of your posts mirror the arguments from the other side, I don't know what to tell you



Sorry but the two sides are pretty different. The "alt-right" is shitty propaganda where they go march around with fricking Tiki torches and proclaim how they're better than other people. Opinions which 99% of America do not share and is really nothing more than a clown show.

Meanwhile the Antifa crowd literally riots, assaults people, burns down buildings, and clashes with the police.

One side is using free speech, in a fricking poor way I might add.

The other side is literally trying to tear down the seams of society with violent and oppressive actions.

Keep putting your head in the sand in regards to this movement, it's been building steam for a couple years now. They even label themselves as militants for fricks sake.
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:21 am to
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So, your entire problem is that a group of people exercised their right to counter protest a "free speech" rally? Sweet.

Yeah, counter protest, it's not like they went they to incite violence or anything.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:22 am to
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i'm not talking about direct violence to accomplish this goal


I mean...if one side is louder and/or has more people and that drowns out the other side, that is just the product of the atmosphere surrounding these rallies

that isn't limited to one side, everyone is yelling and trying to be the loudest
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:23 am to
You're arguing against broadbrushing one side by broadbrushing the other side.

GTFO
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:25 am to
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Their goal was to counter protest an opposing viewpoint.

to overwhelm the group and shut down their speech

this is not some conspiracy theory. many people in the "protests" stated it and the coordinated-DEM message repeated this

LINK

quote:

"We cannot ignore them away as their numbers grow and their influence expands."

"We cannot let their worldview normalize"


Albright warns of the dangers of 'normalizing' fascists

etc etc etc
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:26 am to
Some SJW named Bradley Batt, owner of Blue Zebra Sports and Officiating.com started commenting last evening on a friend's facebook post. He basically was calling everyone who didn't disagree with Trump a Nazi sympathizer since, in his words, Trump didn't repudiate the Nazi's that were in Charlottesville. When I challenged him on this and mentioned that Trump had, in fact, repudiated the Nazi's, as well as those on the left who were using violent tactics, funded by George Soros, who was a Nazi sympathizer himself, he didn't like reading the truth, and so he blocked me.

Hey Bradley.
Posted by TigerCruise
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:28 am to
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You're arguing against broadbrushing one side by broadbrushing the other side.

GTFO


I don't see anyone here calling all Liberals part of Antifa. I'm simply stating that it's a dangerous movement that is growing heavy support from people on the false pretenses that "White Supremacy" is on the rise, which is ridiculously false.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:30 am to
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.if one side is louder and/or has more people and that drowns out the other side, that is just the product of the atmosphere surrounding these rallies

if it was just a matter of numbers, i wouldn't care

but vitriol, hatred, and the threat of violence is used. that's where things start to cross the line

quote:

that isn't limited to one side, everyone is yelling and trying to be the loudest

but only one side is using this method to silence their opposition (as of today)

i'm just calling a spade a spade re: "shutting down speech". i get that they're trying to be clever about it, but that's their goal. the sad part is that many organizing these events and their media mouthpieces actively state that this is the goal, and somehow people are still trying to hide their primary motivation/goal. that's some major propaganda
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:32 am to
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I'm simply stating that it's a dangerous movement that is growing heavy support from people on the false pretenses that "White Supremacy" is on the rise, which is ridiculously false.


the more each group receives attention, the more each group will grow in support

of course, when I mentioned that real conservatives and liberals should protest against these groups, I was downvoted into oblivion and called a pussy

which says a lot IMO
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:35 am to
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but vitriol, hatred, and the threat of violence is used. that's where things start to cross the line



I agree

quote:

but only one side is using this method to silence their opposition (as of today)


mostly because one side is winning the narrative battle

and as of yet, I haven't seen the far left groups hold their own rallies

when they do, you can bet conservatives groups will counter protest

we see this with abortion rallies pretty often, just in smaller numbers
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 9:36 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:36 am to
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Yeah, counter protest, it's not like they went they to incite violence or anything.


We should make attacking people illegal.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:37 am to
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to overwhelm the group and shut down their speech


Speaking louder and in greater numbers isn't "shutting down free speech."

What's your solution to this "problem."
Posted by TigerCruise
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:39 am to
I completely agree. The more counter-protests that occur to these dumbass rallies the more the media is going to give this Nazi piece of shits attention.

The problem is when you resort to violence like Antifa does, you're going to cause TONS more people to go to the "alt-rights" side.

Antifa is literally having the opposite effect of their "goal". Which honestly has nothing to do with White Supremacy and everything to do with destroying American values and free speech.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:43 am to
I hate them, I hate marches, I hate protests, I hate all of it.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:44 am to
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The problem is when you resort to violence like Antifa does, you're going to cause TONS more people to go to the "alt-rights" side.


and in reverse, unless the conservative groups don't actively start disassociating with the Nazis groups, not just by words, but actively removing them from their rallies, a lot more people are going to go to the "alt left" side

Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:45 am to
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haven't seen the far left groups hold their own rallies

What do you classify the BLM marches?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:48 am to
I consider the BLM stuff to be a different category

but I do remember some counter protests to the BLM marches
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