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re: Ann Selzer might need a Pardon from Joe Biden

Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Wolfwireless
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:24 am to
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For example... Work ethics. some people have better work ethics than others.

Wrong. The ethics are the same. Some people choose to abide by them and some don't.


Not entirely wrong. Ethics have to be taught. Morals, have to be taught. Even religion, and faith, has to be taught.

And those ethics and morals can differ by area. For example, we Missourians and Kansans have different ethics from neighboring states.
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:43 am to
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I was referring to ethics—the standards of right and wrong—which govern behavior.

I was drawing attention to her comment, which seemed like she was adhering to moral relativism.

Ok, I see. Thanks for explaining
So, for a discussion. Aren't morals and ethics, a learned/taught issue?
Where I'm coming from, is that the ethics that so many of us teach our kids as parents... Is so vastly different than the ways being brought up on those kids when they are in college, out of our reach and supervision.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 12:57 pm to
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Its like "my truth".....These liberals are insane

"I reject your reality and substitute my own".

-Famous quote of MythBusters co-host Adam Savage, who also is a Terminal TDS-stricken liberal lunatic, coincidentally.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 1:21 pm to


Trump at the very least file lawsuits against every POS

If nothing else, you drain their bank accounts
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/15/24 at 11:21 pm to
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So, for a discussion. Aren't morals and ethics, a learned/taught issue?
They can be. I’m of the belief that God created humanity in His image as moral creatures with the moral law impresses upon our very hearts and consciences. In our sin, we suppress the truth and create our own ethical standards, but this leads to moral relativism.

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Where I'm coming from, is that the ethics that so many of us teach our kids as parents... Is so vastly different than the ways being brought up on those kids when they are in college, out of our reach and supervision.
It is, yes. Those that deny God’s law as supreme create their own law. That’s where we get into moral relativism, which was the point of my initial post
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 11:33 am to
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It is, yes. Those that deny God’s law as supreme create their own law. That’s where we get into moral relativism, which was the point of my initial post

Hey, appreciate the response and the time you took to explain! Thanks FMC
Ok, I hope I don't put my foot in my mouth here, if so, apologize. Difficult for me to talk religion in text. I try to abbreviate too much.
I get it, that you're saying more people need more Jesus. And what ur saying about man made in God's image.
And I too, believe that we as humans have an innate good in us. particularly in empathy and compassion. And a strong mechanism for Faith.
I see that as the start of the road. And we as people need to constantly learn, be taught, and keep up in the belief to stay on that road and walk it properly. It's so easy to stray from the path and get lost.

Particularly with so many False Shepards about in the world right now.
This post was edited on 12/16/24 at 11:35 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/16/24 at 12:29 pm to
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Hey, appreciate the response and the time you took to explain! Thanks FMC
You got it, any time!

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Ok, I hope I don't put my foot in my mouth here, if so, apologize. Difficult for me to talk religion in text. I try to abbreviate too much.
I get it, that you're saying more people need more Jesus. And what ur saying about man made in God's image.
And I too, believe that we as humans have an innate good in us. particularly in empathy and compassion. And a strong mechanism for Faith.
I see that as the start of the road. And we as people need to constantly learn, be taught, and keep up in the belief to stay on that road and walk it properly. It's so easy to stray from the path and get lost.

Particularly with so many False Shepards about in the world right now.
I don't know your background so I'll try to keep this somewhat generic, but logically speaking, the law of non-contradiction does not allow for there to be multiple "right" or "true" paths, morally speaking. Either there is a singular right path, or there is no right path at all, and all paths are merely acceptable because of the lack of truth involved (like there is no best flavor of ice cream since there is no standard for what best is, and so each person can have their opinions that are neither better nor worse than any other).

If morality and ethics are entirely subjective, then there is no singular "road" and there is no "proper" way to walk whatever road a person decides to walk.

Speaking in terms of a path and walking it properly is speaking to an objective standard that a person can learn and grow in. I agree with that thinking because I believe that God has implanted a basic intuitive knowledge of His law as the "road" and our consciences either accuse us or excuse us when we don't walk properly (how He commands us) down that road.

I agree with that language being used, but my contention is that only through the objective moral standard of God's law can anyone use that language, otherwise morality/ethics is reduced down to personal opinions with no standard to determine which one is truly "right" or "wrong" or how one gets "better", morally speaking.

Posted by Wildcat1996
Lexington, KY
Member since Jul 2020
9259 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 12:36 pm to
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The leftists on Reddit clung so hard to muh Seltzer poll


At some level, isn't it the left that should be angry with her? She lied to them too. Hopes were up, money was raised, boots were on the ground, get to the polls!!!

And it was just a blatant lie.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17242 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 12:41 pm to
"it's not my ethic" makes absolutely no sense grammatically.
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
4783 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:10 pm to
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Hey, appreciate the response and the time you took to explain! Thanks FMC
You got it, any time!

Right on Always love it when we have good conversations going on, on the internet.
Yeah, I tend to use imagery and metaphor for some things. Partly bcuz as tech support it helps me explain things to normies But it helps me convey what my brain may not wanna formulate properly
A lot of what you'd said, sums up like this for me. And I'm sorry that I have to paraphrase.
I have come among you, to show you the true way to the Father. - Jesus
When he was saying that many who thought they knew the gospel were wrong. And he came to guide all of us on how gospel was to properly be interpreted.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175428 posts
Posted on 12/16/24 at 2:22 pm to
With the way Cumswallow’s campaign was paying everyone and everything for promotion and support it’s clear they paid Selzer to put out the bogus poll.
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