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re: Andrew Pollack is the reason adults need to speak.

Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:01 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:01 pm to
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But, as I currently have the "right"...it is his task that should be the more difficult one. I will NOT give up an inch just to "salve" his fears. I will listen, however.


Seems perfectly reasonable.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22284 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:01 pm to
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What would that look like? I don't know how secure the Department of Education is. Asking seriously


Ok, what about your local courthouse. If the school was that secure, would this happen?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:02 pm to
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More armed GUARDS could fit that bill, no?


It could. I do worry about the ROE those guards would have, but I also understand that any solution will have its drawbacks.
Posted by 5Wide
Member since Jun 2013
1918 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:04 pm to
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More armed GUARDS could fit that bill, no?



Yes, seems like something everyone could get behind. Helps protect the children without hurting law-abiding citizens.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:04 pm to
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Ok, what about your local courthouse. If the school was that secure, would this happen?


I'm in favor of metal detectors and security at schools. Would it prevent this kind of thing? I'm not sure, but it can't be any worse than the status quo.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:05 pm to
Hell yes it is
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:06 pm to
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Some of my very best friends are liberal and none are "insane" or "anti-2A". They do have very different views than me. But, I am not so sure either of us have a monopoly of what is correct. I am willing to hear the other "side" and understand that my friend is as smart and as honest as I am..yet, we disagree.


We clearly run in different circles.

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But, as I currently have the "right"...it is his task that should be the more difficult one. I will NOT give up an inch just to "salve" his fears. I will listen, however.
You're better than me here.

If you start a conversation with, "listen to me because your inaction is the cause of murder", I'm probably going to reply with "frick you".
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:06 pm to
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Yes, seems like something everyone could get behind. Helps protect the children without hurting law-abiding citizens.


It is difficult to separate school shootings from mass shootings altogether. I'd be happy if we addressed at least one of them, but the solutions to mass shootings in public become a bit murkier.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22284 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:07 pm to
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Yes, seems like something everyone could get behind. Helps protect the children without hurting law-abiding citizens.


Everyone can agree that a school can be built and operated that is completely safe from this type of incident. This is the solution.

Some will say it’s too expensive and we should instead ban a small subset of weapons. These are the ones with an agenda they are pushing and are dishonest..

Some will say that it’s too expensive and we should ban and collect all guns. These are the ones who are honest and also live in lalaland.
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:08 pm to
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The folks wanting gun RESTRICTIONS (I acknowledge it isn't repeal of 2A for but a very few nuts) SHOULD have to work hard for it.


While we have all agreed that regulations and restrictions should be implemented.

However, any restriction and/or regulation is technically a violation of the Constitution as any restriction or regulation is an infringement.



Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:11 pm to
I didn't realize he was the Trump shirt wearing dad who lost a daughter at Parkland.

I thought he was a random Secret Service guy from DC who just wanted to chime in

Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51537 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:13 pm to
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Allow everyone to bring a weapon to school if they so choose. Are you suggesting gun violence would go down if that was the case?


Not the children, but any teachers that get a CCP and spend at least two hours per month at the range.

There's a reason you don't see people routinely trying to shoot up police stations or gun shows.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64314 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:16 pm to
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The folks wanting gun RESTRICTIONS SHOULD have to work hard for it. It SHOULD be difficult and the ones that currently have the "right" should fight vehemently to keep them. I am for "progress"...but, I want it methodical, slow, painful, and with struggle.


Perfectly said BHP. We need not bow down to the tyranny of extreme emotionalism.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52833 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:18 pm to
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If you start a conversation with, "listen to me because your inaction is the cause of murder", I'm probably going to reply with "frick you".


2) we have each had our turns to say "frick you" tp one another

1) My friends generally do NOT start out with that type of opening salvo.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84766 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:19 pm to
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There's a reason you don't see people routinely trying to shoot up police stations or gun shows.


Shootings at gun shows aren't very common, but shootings at police stations are a regular occurrence.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17448 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 4:46 pm to
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Was he the guy that went off saying "we need to fix the schools. Gun laws can be debated later"?


Yes and he was the guy that the liberal twitter users attacked the day his daughter was murdered saying it was karma because he had on a Trump 2020 shirt while looking for his daughter.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51537 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 7:47 pm to
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but shootings at police stations are a regular occurrence.


Got a link for that?
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59608 posts
Posted on 2/21/18 at 7:48 pm to
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The only problem with guns is that we're not using enough of them to secure the schools.


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