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An explanation of rich/poor gap
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:25 pm
I read a review in the WSJ of a new book that explains the connection between Education/Marriage/Income
It goes like this..
College educated women give birth out of wedlock at only 5% of births. Women with a HS diploma or less have 50% out of wedlock births. The in-between statistic is women with some education after HS.
Explanation: Likes attract. Therefore, lower class women have a pool of potential mates in lower class males who don't have good job prospects and qualify for govt programs which reduce their incentive to work (and a higher percentage of criminal records).
Result: The lower class woman's only option for children is getting pregnant without benefit of marriage.
OTOH, college educated women are around LOTS of good male marriage prospects on campus and in early job experiences. So, those women become more picky. They choose husbands who will be good providers and don't settle for boyfriends getting them pregnant and moving on.
The Cycle: Since there is a positive correlation between education:income, the married people with education make more money and have children much more likely to go to college since they live in a stable family environment.
OTOH, the lower class woman has a much less stable home life, financial life and prospects for her children because daddy (or daddies) are no longer around.
Bottom line... the increase in cyclical poverty in the US is not due to unfairness or inequality. It's due to the abandonment of marriage as an institution. Thoughts?
It goes like this..
College educated women give birth out of wedlock at only 5% of births. Women with a HS diploma or less have 50% out of wedlock births. The in-between statistic is women with some education after HS.
Explanation: Likes attract. Therefore, lower class women have a pool of potential mates in lower class males who don't have good job prospects and qualify for govt programs which reduce their incentive to work (and a higher percentage of criminal records).
Result: The lower class woman's only option for children is getting pregnant without benefit of marriage.
OTOH, college educated women are around LOTS of good male marriage prospects on campus and in early job experiences. So, those women become more picky. They choose husbands who will be good providers and don't settle for boyfriends getting them pregnant and moving on.
The Cycle: Since there is a positive correlation between education:income, the married people with education make more money and have children much more likely to go to college since they live in a stable family environment.
OTOH, the lower class woman has a much less stable home life, financial life and prospects for her children because daddy (or daddies) are no longer around.
Bottom line... the increase in cyclical poverty in the US is not due to unfairness or inequality. It's due to the abandonment of marriage as an institution. Thoughts?
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:33 pm to Zach
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Bottom line... the increase in cyclical poverty in the US is not due to unfairness or inequality. It's due to the abandonment of marriage as an institution. Thoughts?
I though this was common knowledge? For the longest time, black families have endured poverty because they won't own up to the issues of fatherless homes. This has filtered to the white community now and it's being ignored as a major factor in poverty because it's not PC to talk about morals and such.
You know the old," what somebody else does morally doesn't affect me," stuff.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:37 pm to Zach
This sounds sort of like Charles Murray's book, Coming Apart.
I think this answers half of the problem. The other half is the shift of the American economy in the past fifty years of agricultural work and manufacturing and the welfare/prison state created to fix it.
I think this answers half of the problem. The other half is the shift of the American economy in the past fifty years of agricultural work and manufacturing and the welfare/prison state created to fix it.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:39 pm to Zach
Enough with the suspense. The title of the book is... 
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:43 pm to Zach
quote:
Bottom line... the increase in cyclical poverty in the US is not due to unfairness or inequality. It's due to the abandonment of marriage as an institution. Thoughts?
I understand they somewhat go hand in hand, but if you are going to make a "bottom line" type statement like this, I would put education there before marriage. If you are in an unmarried household where the single parent still stresses the importance of education, I like your chances better than a child coming from a married household where neither parent GAF about education.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:46 pm to Zach
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Bottom line... the increase in cyclical poverty in the US is not due to unfairness or inequality. It's due to the abandonment of marriage as an institution. Thoughts?
agree.
yes, there are some single parent homes that do just fine, but that is the exception, not the norm.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:54 pm to Revelator
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I though this was common knowledge? For the longest time, black families have endured poverty because they won't own up to the issues of fatherless homes. This has filtered to the white community now and it's being ignored as a major factor in poverty because it's not PC to talk about morals and such.
That's interesting. I believe the poverty rate for black families in and around the 1950's to 1960's was 50% -ish. That number dropped drastically in just 10 years to about 30% due to the Civil Rights movement, and now hovers around the mid 20's.
How do you explain that, considering the consensus on this board is that black families had a much stronger family unit then they did now.
Education is the key. Family definitely has something to do with it. But if one group is systematically and lawfully bring denied educational opportunities, this will off course keep them in poverty more so than other groups. And naturally, recessions would cause it to be cyclical.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 3:55 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I understand they somewhat go hand in hand, but if you are going to make a "bottom line" type statement like this, I would put education there before marriage.
I agree with you, the bottom line is education.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:02 pm to EthanL
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That's interesting. I believe the poverty rate for black families in and around the 1950's to 1960's was 50% -ish. That number dropped drastically in just 10 years to about 30% due to the Civil Rights movement, and now hovers around the mid 20's.
Poverty numbers are skewed because the poor now receive so much welfare which wasn't the case in the 50's.
Plus, having the mom working two jobs and not being around to supervise the children's education and monitor study habits and homework affects education as well. Both are bad.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:05 pm to Zach
Education plays a role absolutely.
But they go hand-in-hand.
Check this out...
LINK
Across 25 different risk factors for dropping out of school, "Not living with both natural parents" is one of the few factors that extends through elementary, middle, and high school.
But they go hand-in-hand.
Check this out...
LINK
Across 25 different risk factors for dropping out of school, "Not living with both natural parents" is one of the few factors that extends through elementary, middle, and high school.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:09 pm to Walking the Earth
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Enough with the suspense. The title of the book is...
Marriage Markets
by June Carbone and Naomi Cahn
LINK
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:10 pm to UGATiger26
Here is a link from the Heritage Foundation siting single parent homes as the #1 cause of child poverty
Child poverty
Child poverty
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:11 pm to Zach
I'm impressed that you managed to acknowledge cyclical poverty and argue that it isn't unfair. Sorry your Dad is a bum, kid. Guess you're just fricked.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:13 pm to Zach
I would argue that poverty is a barrier to successful marriage. Cyclical, indeed.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:14 pm to inelishaitrust
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This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:16 pm to inelishaitrust
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Sorry your Dad is a bum, kid. Guess you're just fricked.
If you mean my dad I it's odd that equate a tool pusher, roustabout and rough neck who kept gas in your car... a bum?
And proof that it was not cyclical are Me and Bro.
Cyclical poverty is caused by people who choose to live off the govt tit instead of work, get married and instill values in their children. It can go on for generations due to liberals.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:18 pm to Zach
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Cyclical poverty is caused by people who choose to live off the govt tit instead of work, get married and instill values in their children. It can go on for generations due to liberals.
Well, that's a neat assumption based on Judeo-Christian and right-wing ideology. If only things were that simple.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:19 pm to rbWarEagle
They are that simple.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:20 pm to rbWarEagle
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Well, that's a neat assumption based on Judeo-Christian and right-wing ideology. If only things were that simple.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 4:21 pm to rbWarEagle
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Well, that's a neat assumption based on Judeo-Christian and right-wing ideology. If only things were that simple.
So only Christians and Jews benefit from having two parents?
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 4:23 pm
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