re: All the talk on Roe V. Wade

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Overly simplified, it’s the acquisition of status in which one has full rights granted to an individual, autonomous person.

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Your OP in the 2017 thread was quite good. When I try the same explanation, I add some examples of rights which vest still-later. Diving at 16. Voting at 18. Drinking at 21. Running for Congress at 25. Running for Senate at 30. Running for POTUS at 35.

I actually make the argument that one view is that all sides are making the SAME argument: “At what point should rights vest and WHAT rights should vest at what point?”. Pro-Lifers and Pro-Choicers simply choose a different point to vest the right to be safe from abortion. Pro-Lifers USUALLY pick an early date for some sort of religious reason, while Pro-Choicers select a later date for “sentience” reasons.

A varient view (also consistent with the sentience/personhood approach) is a “balancing” of rights and harm between mother and fetus. For Pro-Lifers, the rights of mother and fetus are equal from day one, because “fully human.”. For Pro-Choicers, the “rights” of the fetus simply carry more weight in the formula, as it gets older and closer to sentience. At some point, Pro-Choicers agree that the rights of fetus and mother are equal ... they just vary amongst themselves greatly as to when that happens, ranging from first trimester thru birth canal.

I actually get a kick about the people who raise the argument “what about statutes re fetal manslaughter?” They do not seem to grasp that the fetus’s rights at that point are derivative of the mother .. in essence, the mother is the guardian of the fetus (the ward). As guardian, she has the right to make decisions. The drunk driver who hit her does not have the same rights.

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I'm a man.

But I'd love for you to educate me. What is the definition of "Pro Choice"?

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When you get pregnant send me a PM and I'll discuss your options with ya

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woman can pay a man to scrape a baby out her vagina but not pay a man to scrape his dick in it? Pro choice crowd only cares about choices involving killing babies. Let’s be real.

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Fair argument, except that libertarians largely feel that both should be legally-allowed. Most liberals, too.

It is largely the Pro-Lifers who would prohibit the latter.

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No personhood argument, no care.

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Is "personhood" a made up concept? What are the components that make that up?

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I got a question for anyone. How do I react to a female that had no qualms about telling me she had an abortion and seemed a little proud of the fact and then about a year or so later she was seeking sympathy for a miscarriage?

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She wanted the second pregnancy, but not the first. This should not be difficult to grasp.

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Is "personhood" a made up concept? What are the components that make that up?

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Awesome question. What do you think?

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Thats nice.

Is that science or a bloviated opinion?

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I haven't the faintest idea as to what you're referring to.

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What makes us different and human is our own DNA sequence. Since this is the case, how can it be okay to take that unique being (regardless of how unlike it is to looks of a human being) when in fact it is a life developing and human?

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Non-viable fetuses/zygotes have different DNA too. Is it a crime to miscarriage? What if it was caused by reckless/negligent behavior before a woman knew she was pregnant?

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“At what point should rights vest and WHAT rights should vest at what point?”.

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Those things are based--in a sense-- on the ability to comprehend the responsibilities of those rights. Pro abortion advocates don't seem to comprehend what they advocate. They are immature and shouldn't be able to have a say until they understand what they're advocating. Their minds have not developed enough to understand, but like self righteous, whiny teenagers, they think they do.
Sad.