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re: AG sessions to bring 1980s war on drugs back
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:09 pm to rbWarEagle
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:09 pm to rbWarEagle
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He's got extremely poor reasoning ability (or/and) he's bought and paid for.
What are you basing that claim on?
His ability to reason is poor, as evidenced by these examples:
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What does "bought and paid for" mean? How does that manifest itself in real life?
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Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:15 pm to TheOcean
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He's got extremely poor reasoning ability (or/and) he's bought and paid for.
Keep melting
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:15 pm to Dale51
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What does "bought and paid for" mean? How does that manifest itself in real life?
The medical and pharmaceutical lobbies have pretty much all of Washington in their pocket. They have a lot to lose and little to gain by marijuana in particular being legalized and available.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:20 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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They have a lot to lose and little to gain by marijuana in particular being legalized and available.
Why would that be? They are poised to be able to take control of producing and distributing pot....unless your idea of legalizing also includes open market sales by anyone.
That said, the idea that pot is some miracle drug that would put actual effective drugs out of business is laughable imo.
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:22 pm to Pbhog
Pbhog runs around in circles screaming, stamping her feet and shite posting. That's actually talented.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:35 pm to DawgsLife
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How about gay marriage?
Gay marriage is and always was a retarded way to frame that argument.
Equality of contract is better. Marriage gets you tax breaks and perks you're not allowed otherwise. So everyone should be entitled to enter into that contract. I could give less of a frick who decides to enter into that contract with the state as long as they are bound by the same terms.
I find it hilarious how riled up people get about gay marriage and how apathetic those same people are to marriage and divorce reform. Gay Marriage advocates are fighting an asinine semantics battle on the wrong playing field, IMHO.
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Insurance
What kind of insurance? It would be impossible to have a system where your insurance only worked in your state. But I don't agree with the mandate to buy if we are allowed to let the consequences happen.
Freedom of choice is the most precious thing we have. The consequences of those choices are inherently necessary both gold and bad. Limiting those choices and the consequences by government intervention should he given the absolute utmost scrutiny.
I have no problem not having a mandate for health insurance. I also have no problem with a doctor telling an adult who has no money and no insurance that they can't be treated and are going to die. You deal with the consequences you create for yourself. Go to a charity hospital or a teaching hospital or make better life decisions.
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Light bulbs?
Wut
I agree with government intervention to protect a powerless body. I don't agree with government overreach to shape the people how they see fit without giving the people the choice to shape themselves i.e. drug laws
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:39 pm to DawgsLife
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So now you are for states rights? Or only when it comes to drugs?
How about gay marriage? Insurance? Light bulbs? Seat belt?
Should the states be making these decisions, or are those up to the Federal Government?
Colorado would lose 100 million in tax revenue if Sessions enforces Federal Law regarding Marijuana. At a time when state's across the country regardless of partisan leadership are tightening budgets a state isn't giving up 100 million per annum because Trump's too loyal to realize AG is the worst possibile position for Sessions.
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:41 pm to Dale51
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That said, the idea that pot is some miracle drug that would put actual effective drugs out of business is laughable imo.
There's a reason big Pharmacy pays billions and billions of dollars a year to keep it not only illegal, but schedule 1 which makes it illegal to even do testing for medical purposes.
You think that coincidence? Or that Big Pharmacy is just that much against pot?
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:43 pm to Pbhog
Take all of that money invested in the war on marijuana and redirect it to advanced medical research and research of rare disease. This type of investment leads to legit help to people who really need the help and suffer long term which only adds to the drain on the healthcare industry
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:46 pm to Dale51
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That said, the idea that pot is some miracle drug that would put actual effective drugs out of business is laughable imo.
It's overstated for a lot of things but in states with legalization its usage as a regular painkiller after a day of work is significantly healthier than the treadmill of opoid addiction where the user needs ever greater dosages to combat tolerance.
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:05 pm to montanagator
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Colorado would lose 100 million in tax revenue if Sessions enforces Federal Law regarding Marijuana. At a time when state's across the country regardless of partisan leadership are tightening budgets a state isn't giving up 100 million per annum because Trump's too loyal to realize AG is the worst possibile position for Sessions.
Is this even a thing, or just some fear?? Serious question..I haven't heard squat about Sessions being ready to launch an attack on pot.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:12 pm to Pbhog
Sessions has significant support from private prison lobby - needs dopers to fill those empty cots.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:28 pm to LSU1NSEC
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Sessions has significant support from private prison lobby - needs dopers to fill those empty cots.
So what is it you're actually claiming here? Sessions has some kind of "agreement" with the "prison lobby" to "line his pockets" in exchange for "dopers" to fill there facilities??? Seriously?
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:34 pm to montanagator
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usage as a regular painkiller after a day of work is significantly healthier than the treadmill of opoid addiction where the user needs ever greater dosages to combat tolerance.
What you're suggesting has nothing to do with legal, recreational use of pot. The picture you paint is one of, little more than adding one more drug to the pharmaceutical arsenal. How effective is pot for severe pain...not, "I can relax a little easier after burning a bowl"...but sever pain. The kind of pain that opioids would be perscribed for?
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:37 pm to Dire Wolf
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“Drug trafficking is inherently violent. Drug traffickers are dealing in a heavy cash business,” he said on the “O’Reilly Factor” last year. “They can’t resolve disputes in court. They resolve the disputes on the street, and they resolve them through violence.”
So tripling down on ensuring that system stays in place is the answer?
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:42 pm to Dale51
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That said, the idea that pot is some miracle drug that would put actual effective drugs out of business is laughable imo.
Not just mj itself, but derivatives of the plant could be effective alternatives. I just don't understand how people can be so myopic on this subject.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 7:54 pm to Pbhog
I am conservative as anyone and really struggle with this. I have asked friends in law enforcement and addiction counseling about this topic. I say legalize and tax it all. If u want to be a dumbass go ahead. They disagree with me.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:04 pm to upgrayedd
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Not just mj itself, but derivatives of the plant could be effective alternatives. I just don't understand how people can be so myopic on this subject.
I'm not arguing that there is not, most likely, some place for it as a therapy for some conditions. I'm pointing out that the, unstated but heavily implied, idea that pot is some miracle drug for a wide variety of aliments is most likely bogus. That said, it is a completely different subject than legalizing recreational use. In a sense, people who conflate the two are engaging in a watered down version of a appeal to emotion fallacy. Just my opinion, others may feel differently.
This post was edited on 4/9/17 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:08 pm to jlntiger
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I say legalize and tax it all.
The only way you could do that effectively is to have a government sanctioned base of "approved" suppliers.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:12 pm to Dale51
The truth is that no one really knows because the FDA isn't allowed to research it. However, someone on the OT was giving his terminally ill, cancer ridden father drops of CBD oil and has seen significant improvements in his health including pain relief and reduction of cancer indication numbers (can't remember the exact metrics he mentioned). I don't think people are saying it's a cure-all but I think it has a potential to be a valuable plant in the medical field. Denying that is just plain idiotic.
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