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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:26 pm to
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:26 pm to
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I understand your position but you're trying to extrapolate your personal position to a nonexistent institutional policy.

I went to an elite top-15 national university. It prided itself on its diversity (and I agree it was very diverse), yet it was only 8-9% black. Same for my med school. Clearly these schools policy couldnt be some type of racial quota, right?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:27 pm to
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Well, you asserted that in an academic setting, diversity is emphasized and I would submit that in most colleges, this is just flat not so.

I think you are fixated on the fact that most "elite" universities are left leaning. That doesn't mean there couldnt be diversity of thought in many different regards. Hell, this board is definitely right-leaning, but I would say theres still a good bit of variation and thought here as well.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:27 pm to
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I went to an elite top-15 national university. It prided itself on its diversity (and I agree it was very diverse), yet it was only 8-9% black. Same for my med school. Clearly these schools policy couldnt be some type of racial quota, right?


What university? It should pretty easy to research their policies regarding achieving diversity.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:30 pm to
No offense, but I'd rather not put my whole background on the internet. I've already narrowed it down waaaay too much by telling yall I'm a black male in med school, theres like 15 of us.
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:32 pm to
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No offense, but I'd rather not put my whole background on the internet. I've already narrowed it down waaaay too much by telling yall I'm a black male in med school, theres like 15 of us.



Don't want to end up like that judge in Arkansas from this site. LOL
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:34 pm to
I just looked it up myself AM. And my undergrads diversity goal per their diversity website mentioned the following:

quote:

Recruit people of great ability from all backgrounds

encourage faculty and students to be bold, independent and creative thinkers

to provide the infrastructure to support teaching, research, scholarship and service for the present and for future generations


Not a single mention of race.

Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:35 pm to
I certainly don't care enough to try a draw a connection between you and your undergrad but I understand your hesitance.

But let's take the 20 second I research I just did on Harvard - another college unanimously considered elite. It's Faculty Diversity and Development program focuses on two things: attracting female faculty and attracting racial minority faculty.
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:37 pm to
quote:

Recruit people of great ability from all backgrounds

...........
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Not a single mention of race.

Um..........sort of included but OK.

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encourage faculty and students to be bold, independent and creative thinkers

Some variation of this is said on probably 99% of all university campus' and in virtually every case, it is a bald faced lie. Sadly, I think they actually believe they mean it because to a liberal, having all LIBERAL ideas on the table IS allowing bold and independent thinking.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:41 pm to
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Um..........sort of included but OK.

I disagree. Saying you want people of different backgrounds is not the same as saying people of minority race.
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Some variation of this is said on probably 99% of all university campus' and in virtually every case, it is a bald faced lie.

But, like I noted, my institution and many other "elite" ones have a black population less than whats seen in the gen pop. If they have quotas, or are trying to just select a whole bunch of minorities, they are doing a pretty poor job, don't you think?
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:42 pm to
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But let's take the 20 second I research I just did on Harvard - another college unanimously considered elite. It's Faculty Diversity and Development program focuses on two things: attracting female faculty and attracting racial minority faculty.

Do you have a link to this? Not saying I don't believe you, just want to see how Harvard presents this.
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:45 pm to
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But, like I noted, my institution and many other "elite" ones have a black population less than whats seen in the gen pop. If they have quotas, or are trying to just select a whole bunch of minorities, they are doing a pretty poor job, don't you think?
I was referring the the assertion that they want bold independent thinkers. Most institutions say this and, it's just not true. Their actions speak FAR louder than their words.

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If they have quotas, or are trying to just select a whole bunch of minorities, they are doing a pretty poor job, don't you think?

But, to answer that part. U can't actually say that based solely on the numbers provided. Elite institutions still would largely like to get people that have some shot at passing their school. Hence, an institution could have a HUGE AA program and not meet the black percentage in the population as a whole. IE, if an institution is 10% black but would've only been 5% if race were not taken into account..........you get the point.
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:46 pm to
maybe there just aren't that many minorities pursuing those positions, hence why they lean towards grabbing the ones that do.

I would be interested to see the stats for % applied vs % accepted for various demographics.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:46 pm to
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Not a single mention of race.


Obviously, the mission statement isn't going to talk about race.

So I figured out the school. Just went to the portion of its website dedicated to diversity. Every article and upcoming event dealt with racial minorities or LGBT.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:47 pm to
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I went to an elite top-15 national university. It prided itself on its diversity (and I agree it was very diverse), yet it was only 8-9% black


The problem with the elite universities is that they only seek diversity of color not the diversity of thought. And, of course, this has achieved nothing other than making rich black elite more wealthier and more elitist.

But, at least moronic liberals, like you, get the pat yourselves on the back and tell yourself how progressive and enlightened you are without ever actually having to deal with people who actually come from disadvantage backgrounds.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 8:52 pm
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:49 pm to
I hear what yall are saying and O don't disagree. I just wanted to shed light on the misbelief that all you have to do is apply (exaggeration, but you get my point) if you are black and everything is handed to you on a silver platter.
Posted by SettleDown
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:49 pm to
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So I figured out the school.
Same here.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:49 pm to
Posted by rbWarEagle
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:49 pm to
I'm pretty sure a quotas aren't legally defensible unless passed down through the EEOC.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
10669 posts
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:50 pm to
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But, at least moronic liberals, like you, get the pat yourselves on the back and tell yourself how progressive and enlightened you are without ever actually having to deal with people who actually come from disadvantage backgrounds.

Are you upset about something?
Posted by Tiguar
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:50 pm to
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if you are black and everything is handed to you on a silver platter.


nah mate I definitely don't think that. I think a lot of it, for me, is knee-jerk reaction of being accused of having such an easy road for being a white male when I worked my arse off to be where I'm at, too.
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