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re: Affirmative Action
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:47 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:47 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
White people are obsessed with people getting something they don't deserve, which is really ironic.
What an idiot.
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Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:49 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
do you automatically assume that without AA he/she would not be in the same position due to merit alone?
I only do this if the person is a complete retard.
I assume a female sucked a dick if shes a moron and in the position, and a white male got in from the "brother-in-law effect".
I am an equal-opportunity hater.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:52 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Mkay. Put more simply. In cases such as you described, I do not assume that the person definitely benefited from AA. But, I also recognize that the odds aren't all that bad that they did. Which, of course, is just as bad really because you can never just think to yourself, "that person kicked arse". Anyone who pretend they don't have such thoughts is frankly, a bald faced liar.
I think I lost you in all the negatives here.
quote:They get pissed when WHITE people say it. BUT, they say it among themselves and around white people they trust. I've heard it OFTEN.
This has not been my experience at all. Quite the contrary, all my black friends are also frustrated when ppl automatically think "AA" when they attain more and more success.
And, I do actually have some black friends who hate the fact AA exists because of two realities.
1)They know that their achievements are open to question
2)Some of them are even frustrated that they can't even be certain THEY THEMSELVES didn't get a helping hand.
Think about how annoying #2 would be for someone who has a great deal of pride in what they work for.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:55 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
I prefer to be in environments and settings (educational, clinical, etc) where I am around people with unique backgrounds, upbringings and stories, as opposed to a room full of people who think and act and grew up just like me. I know many here probably disagree, but thats fine.
That's fine. I'd rather be in institutions with the most qualified, most skilled, most functional populations regardless of some irrelevant pigment trait.
I also don't assign value to valueless attributes.
To each his own.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:57 pm to Tiguar
quote:Here's a sad anecdote that I know will sound awful.
I only do this if the person is a complete retard.
Many times in my life, I've met a black person in a position that I know required higher education only to note that they can barely speak and hell, sometimes I've gotten emails from them that would appall a 4th grade teacher.
When this happens, I without fail look up their bio seeking exactly one piece of information. Did they go to a HBC? I'd say my hit rate on this is a solid 80% if not higher.
HBCs contribute a LOT to the poor perception. I had a Brigade Commander in Alaska who, in one meeting, made it pretty damned obvious that he did NOT have a solid command of some pedestrian math skills. So, I did my thing. His was the most amazing case I can cite because not only was I right on the HBC thing, but the fricker had his degree in Math!!!!!
Posted on 4/8/14 at 7:59 pm to SettleDown
I should add that I've had the good fortune to work with some exceedingly sharp black fellows. It's really those guys that I feel the worst for when it comes to AA.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:00 pm to SettleDown
the smartest black man I've ever known went to florida A&M (HBC). dude was probably the smartest guy in the pharmacy school and he was my mentor until he moved back to be closer to family.
there was zero doubt in my mind that this man was NOT where he was at solely because of AA
there was zero doubt in my mind that this man was NOT where he was at solely because of AA
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:03 pm to SettleDown
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I should add that I've had the good fortune to work with some exceedingly sharp black fellows. It's really those guys that I feel the worst for when it comes to AA.
This.
In grad school, there were several incredibly smart black students and I always felt bad for them come interview time because you knew that employers first line of questioning was to figure out whether they got into school on their own merit or if the were able to enroll at lower standards.
Honestly, AA probably punishes qualified blacks to a greater extent than qualified whites.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:05 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
I'd rather be in institutions with the most qualified, most skilled, most functional populations regardless of some irrelevant pigment trait.
I'd just like to point out I made no mention of pigment/race. I learn alot from the different types of people around me on a daily basis. I think thats why "diversity" is particularly emphasized in academic settings.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:05 pm to Tiguar
quote:Not all HBCs are as bad as many. That said, I've no doubt that your story is true. NOTHING is 100%. I'm sure there are smart people graduating from Southern. Not many, but I'm sure there are some.
the smartest black man I've ever known went to florida A&M (HBC). dude was probably the smartest guy in the pharmacy school and he was my mentor until he moved back to be closer to family.
quote:If you get to know someone well, that's easy. But, I don't think that was the question.
there was zero doubt in my mind that this man was NOT where he was at solely because of AA
And, to backtrack a bit, it's really not even easy in that case and that's why the people MOST harmed by AA are poor whites and successful blacks. The former are getting passed over by the sons of black doctors(which is stupid) and the latter, not matter how damned sharp they are, can never be 100% certain their skin color didn't help get the nod over an equally sharp white guy.
If I were a hard working black guy who had made it, that shite would piss me off.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:06 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
That's fine. I'd rather be in institutions with the most qualified, most skilled, most functional populations regardless of some irrelevant pigment trait.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:10 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
I'd just like to point out I made no mention of pigment/race. I learn alot from the different types of people around me on a daily basis. I think thats why "diversity" is particularly emphasized in academic settings.
Diversity in academic settings is not measured on anything but race.
Let me know the next time you see a study lauding the economic diversity of a certain academic institution. You may define diversity in a broader sense than just race but I would classify you as being in a small minority in America.
This post was edited on 4/8/14 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:11 pm to SettleDown
quote:
and the latter, not matter how damned sharp they are, can never be 100% certain their skin color didn't help get the nod over an equally sharp white guy.
I'm 100% certain. Not trying to sound arrogant, but with or w/o AA I would be exactly where I am today. I DID build this.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:15 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
I'd just like to point out I made no mention of pigment/race. I learn alot from the different types of people around me on a daily basis. I think thats why "diversity" is particularly emphasized in academic settings.
quote:Two things.
I think thats why "diversity" is particularly emphasized in academic settings.
1)It is patently false to assert that "diversity" is emphasized in academic settings. Our colleges may like to have people who look different but they are NOT fans of diverse THOUGHT which frankly, is the only kind of "diversity" I'm interested in.
2)I see no benefit whatsoever to me by having people with varying appearances around me. Given a choice between being part of a group consisting of perfect ratios ethnically that includes three blithering idiots or a group not perfectly distributed that includes 10 bright f'ers, I take group 2.......The only think I learn when forced to interact with an ethnic person who was handed something is not something you really want me to learn. I can learn much more from one well reasoned black guy than three dumb asses.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:15 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
Diversity in academic settings is not measured on anything but race.
Thats just not true. Many other demographic factors play into it. I feel as if I am an a very diverse class, but its still only 10% black IE less than the national average.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:17 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:So, they have poor, middle class, rich, women, blacks etc etc etc.......and yet, when it comes to being accepting of diverse THOUGHT..........mmmmm not so much.
Many other demographic factors play into it.
That's not diversity.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:18 pm to SettleDown
quote:
2)I see no benefit whatsoever to me by having people with varying appearances around me. Given a choice between being part of a group consisting of perfect ratios ethnically that includes three blithering idiots or a group not perfectly distributed that includes 10 bright f'ers, I take group 2.......The only think I learn when forced to interact with an ethnic person who was handed something is not something you really want me to learn. I can learn much more from one well reasoned black guy than three dumb asses.
I hear you, but you and AM are fixating on race. My original post was "I am pro-diversity" NOT "I am pro-racial diversity."
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:
Thats just not true. Many other demographic factors play into it. I feel as if I am an a very diverse class, but its still only 10% black IE less than the national average.
But how many of those students were given preferential treatment due to any factor other than race or ethnicity? Did the poor, white boy who came from a broken home get lower admissions standards than the norm?
I understand your position but you're trying to extrapolate your personal position to a nonexistent institutional policy.
Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:21 pm to onmymedicalgrind
It's hard to speak objectively about AA on this board. My statement was interpreted as intense support of AA.Posted on 4/8/14 at 8:24 pm to onmymedicalgrind
quote:Well, you asserted that in an academic setting, diversity is emphasized and I would submit that in most colleges, this is just flat not so.
My original post was "I am pro-diversity" NOT "I am pro-racial diversity."
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