re: Aborting Down syndrome babies

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I think stuff like this is one area where we can sacrifice a bit more than would seem immediately comfortable

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IMO, we should not ask people to sacrifice a bit more. For those of us footing the bill, we have sacrificed. The decisions need to be made on where the resources are best spent. I would much rather support a home for those who are disabled than those who just refuse to work. But, you don't get to take any MORE of my money. You have to use what you already take and make that work.

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you claimed a bunch of things that were inaccurate for the vast majority of abortions

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What did I claim that was inaccurate?

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you also never answered any of the questions about whether prior to development of your "proof" that they were "living humans" is abortion ok?

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bullshite. Go back just a few posts were I said no one has the right to deny them the God given right of life.

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I'm guessing no. You are just throwing it out there to get people emotional.

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You keep throwing out the “emotial” straw man argument to mask the fact that you cannot refute the science stating a fetus (and even embryo) is human and is alive. I’d have some respect for you if you had the courage to at least admit you know it’s human life you support destroying. But instead, like a coward, you try to dodge and weave while throwing up dishonest straw man arguments like your tired and worn out “emotional” line.

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I guess I'm more flexible with embryos at least when it comes to invitro fertilization. After all many are destroyed in the process but ultimately a life is produced. What say you?

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Once an egg is fertilized and cells start dividing, it’s life.

And being a believer in our great constitutional republic and the morals upon which it was founded, I dare say no one , myself included, has the right to deny anyone the same rights I claim for myself. How anyone can claim they have the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness while denying that same right to others? It smacks of the highest form of hypocrisy.

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you insinuated that all fetuses feel pain, and suck their thumbs, but this doesn't happen until at least 5.5 months. So the vast majority of abortions occur prior to any of the emotional triggers you threw out there.

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horseshite. I said a fetus feels pain, which they do. You’re adding in the caveat about timing and when abortions are performed. Don’t add or take away from my statements to try and fit your narrative. All you’re doing is proving yourself a liar.

But even by your own logic, either a fetus is or isn’t alive. If it’s wrong to kill a fetus after 5 months it’s equally wrong to kill it before 5 months.

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this is such a stupid statement. it's no wonder no one will to respond to it.

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It's not a stupid statement. The "birth" statement was stupid because it didn't answer the question.

The point of the question is this: if "birth" is what determines a person from a non-person, what does that mean? Being physically outside of the womb? Breathing without assistance? What, exactly is the determining characteristic or characteristics? Because all of them that have been proposed so far can be applied to people after birth.

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If it’s wrong to kill a fetus after 5 months it’s equally wrong to kill it before 5 months.

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I disagree

what about rape? or incest? those are fine I guess

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If it’s wrong to kill a fetus after 5 months it’s equally wrong to kill it before 5 months.


I disagree

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I have explained why I feel it’s wrong. At least have the courage to explain why you feel it’s acceptable to kill an unborn child at some arbatrary point duting the pregnancy. I’d like to hear you answer on these.

1. At what point during the pregnancy it’s it acceptable to kill an unborn child?

2. What was the deciding factor as to that particular point being the demarcation line to kill the unborn child?

3. What gives someone the right to kill this unborn child?

4. Can you claim to have the right to life for yourself while you deny it for someone else? If so, please explain.

I’ll wait.

I think the laws that are currently in place are sufficient. Late-term (third trimester) abortions are less than 1% and restricted in most cases and these are the only ones that I have a problem due to the fact that the fetus' chance of survival outside of the womb increases.

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Aborting Down syndrome babies

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Abortion already grinds my gears. This shite makes me see red.