re: A jury decided they were not guilty. A judge sentenced them to life in prison anyway

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Are you implying the descendants of slaves are better off because their ancestors were kidnapped and enslaved?

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Stop with the emotional crap!

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Can you explain what exactly was emotional about my question? Please be specific as right now it seems like you’re making a super lazy and misogynistic claim because you can’t or don’t want to answer my question. I suspect that’s because the answer is yes.

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Do you dispute the fact that the median Black American household is vastly better off than that of their ancestral lands?

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Yes. Perhaps you wouldn’t want to live as a native African. Why do you assume native Africans wouldn’t want to live as native Africans?

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Don't waste your time. No slaves came from Madagascar. Instead, ask him why he chose to immigrate to such a racist, horrible place as your America is, instead of immigrating to Angola, Guinea, or Gambia? Then listen very closely to his answer.

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Slaves didn’t immigrate to America.

This is how they got here:


But this is why the descendants of slaves are so fortunate to live in America, correct?

It really seems like several contributors to this thread don’t realize that we’re speaking about actual humans.

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History is filled with this. Key word, history. For the most part we’ve gotten past it though morons like you are determined to bring it back.

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Morons like you are too insecure to acknowledge the wealth of opportunities that were explicitly and legally denied to black people in America up until… 50ish years ago that provide context for the societal positions of many black people today.

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Morons like you are too insecure to acknowledge the wealth of opportunities that were explicitly and legally denied to black people in America up until… 50ish years ago that provide context for the societal positions of many black people today.

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And yet, blacks commit more crimes and assimilate into mainstream culture LESS now than they did over 50 years ago.

Are you going to ever answer how that is possible if your victimhood explanation is correct? The less black people are oppressed and the more access they have to mainstream society, the less they assimilate.

Explain, please.

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Seriously? You’re filing a grievance over the names people choose for their own kids? That sounds like a you problem, not a black people problem.

I picked names I liked for my kids. I imagine every other parent has done the same, regardless of race.

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Only that's not true.

Ask a second generation Asian child what his or her name is. It's far more likely that they are going to choose a traditional English name.

Why do you think that is?

Because they know that a name that most English speaking employers can't pronounce is going to put them at a disadvantage when seeking a job. Just like any aspect of refusing to assimilate into mainstream culture will

See, they actually WANT their kids to get a job, and not putting them at a disadvantage in that respect is more important to them than maintaining their own ethnic identity.

Black people, on the other hand, want to act any way they please, then get upset when employers don't fall all over themselves to hire them.

So if you want to say that I'm the problem, that's fine. But I believe YOU were the one bitching a few pages ago about white people not giving black people jobs.

And before you claim that names don't matter for employment, I have links to research that proves that denial false.

If you KNOW that Shemikiamous is going to have a harder time getting a job than Amy, that is a conscious decision to refuse to assimilate. Fine with me. But quit whining about it if you keep making that choice.

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I taught exclusively black kids for many years. I’ve never encountered a parent who said this or indicated they believed this.

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First of all, I don't believe you. Black parents resisting teachers and administration is so widespread that research studies have been done on that, too. So I think you're simply lying right now.

But in case you're not, let's talk about black parental involvement in children's education. Let's talk about a trend that has emerged over the past couple of years in majority black schools in which teachers in certain school districts have refused to report to work because the students engage in so many fights/acts of violence and will not listen to the teachers. I can link to some specific examples if you like...there was an article right here on this board not more than a few weeks ago.

You're telling me that these parents are supportive of the teachers' authority?

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Most people of every race, including black people, don’t commit any crimes.

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So no answer for that, huh? I didn't think so.

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Children who were raised in fatherless homes are more likely to establish fatherless homes as adults.

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That' snot as good an attempt at a non-sequitur side step, because it's tangentially relevant, unlike the completely irrelevant comment quoted directly above.

The fatherless home percentage in the black community in 1940 was 20%. If there were no other factors involved, which is what you just tried to imply, you would think it would still be 20% now, but it's over 70%.

How did it increase by over 300%? What caused that? It can't be that it started at 20%, which is what you just tried to claim.

That's the question.

I’m saying that it doesn’t matter what black people anywhere else in the world are earning or doing. That has absolutely no bearing on anything. I have ancestors from the Canary Islands and Sweden. It wouldn’t make any sense for me to compare myself to the average person living in those places to determine if I’m “better off” or not. There’s no telling what my specific life would look like if I grew up in a different country. Same for anyone else.

And to use that people living in America make more USD than a person living in a totally different society as support for them being better off also doesn’t make sense.

The cost of living in Ghana is about 60% lower than in the US.

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Ask a second generation Asian child what his or her name is. It's far more likely that they are going to choose a traditional English name.

Why do you think that is?

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You don’t think the parents preferred the names they named their children to other names? I personally know several Asians that are American citizens that have Asian names. So what?

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Black people, on the other hand, want to act any way they please, then get upset when employers don't fall all over themselves to hire them.

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1. Not every black person names their children names that you would disapprove of. You’re acting like you’ve never met a black Ashley or Brittany before.

2. Oprah Winfrey, Hoda Kotbe, Sandaya, Condoleezza Rice, Barack Obama, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Zora Neale Hurston would all like a word.

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First of all, I don't believe you

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I’m sure you don’t. Do you think I’d be defending people who treated me like shite though? Or do you not believe that I taught exclusively black kids in public schools in New Orleans?

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Black parents resisting teachers and administration is so widespread that research studies have been done on that, too. So I think you're simply lying right now.

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I don’t know what to tell you. I treat everyone respectfully and typically receive the same respect in return. Parents have resisted my recommendations before, but never with hostility. I recommended that a black first grader get evaluated because I suspected he was on the autism spectrum and could benefit from more support. His parents were not open to that idea but we still maintained a good relationship.

Of course there have been several times that I’ve called home for a behavior problem and was told “they never act like that at home,” which we all know is bullshite but the parents never accused me of lying about the misbehaviors or anything, or got irate.

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If there were no other factors involved,

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of course there are other factors involved.

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The more they tried to assimilate, the more oppression they faced.

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In the last half century?
bullshite!

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In the last half century?
bullshite!

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After being oppressed for hundreds of years, how can black people be expected to be model humans because things have been less shitty for the last 50 years?

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That doesn't seem right.

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What does Gibson have to say about this?