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re: 9/11 Documentary. More questions than answers.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 12:15 am to monstranceclock76
Posted on 9/15/21 at 12:15 am to monstranceclock76
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7 is the absolute smoking gun. The whole thing was a farce.
Because some hacks told you it was? The physics behind the WTC 7 collapse are elementary stuff.
I believe popular mechanics had written an article explaining what was found to be the cause of that collapse, but in this video below, this guy gives a very clear picture, along with some actual video, of what happened and how the so-called "truthers" intentionally mislead.
LINK
It really doesn't take much thought to understand what happened there.
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Posted on 9/15/21 at 5:51 am to Metaloctopus
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popular mechanics
“Popular Mechanics” wrote an article? Alrighty then. Case closed. Everything we have been told about 9/11 by our Deep State overlords is the absolute and unvarnished truth. And anyone who dares question any aspect of that narrative is an unhinged “Truther.” I suppose that includes the two co-chairs of the government’s official 9/11 inquiry.
We Were “Stonewalled by the C.I.A.”
Washington: MORE than five years ago, Congress and President Bush created the 9/11 commission. The goal was to provide the American people with the fullest possible account of the “facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001” — and to offer recommendations to prevent future attacks. Soon after its creation, the president’s chief of staff directed all executive branch agencies to cooperate with the commission.
The commission’s mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes — and did not tell us about them — obstructed our investigation.
There could have been absolutely no doubt in the mind of anyone at the C.I.A. — or the White House — of the commission’s interest in any and all information related to Qaeda detainees involved in the 9/11 plot. Yet no one in the administration ever told the commission of the existence of videotapes of detainee interrogations.
When the press reported that, in 2002 and maybe at other times, the C.I.A. had recorded hundreds of hours of interrogations of at least two Qaeda detainees, we went back to check our records. We found that we did ask, repeatedly, for the kind of information that would have been contained in such videotapes.
The commission did not have a mandate to investigate how detainees were treated; our role was to investigate the history and evolution of Al Qaeda and the 9/11 plot. Beginning in June 2003, we requested all reports of intelligence information on these broad topics that had been gleaned from the interrogations of 118 named individuals, including both Abu Zubaydah and Abd al Rahim al-Nashiri, two senior Qaeda operatives, portions of whose interrogations were apparently recorded and then destroyed.
The C.I.A. gave us many reports summarizing information gained in the interrogations. But the reports raised almost as many questions as they answered. Agency officials assured us that, if we posed specific questions, they would do all they could to answer them.
So, in October 2003, we sent another wave of questions to the C.I.A.’s general counsel. One set posed dozens of specific questions about the reports, including those about Abu Zubaydah. A second set, even more important in our view, asked for details about the translation process in the interrogations; the background of the interrogators; the way the interrogators handled inconsistencies in the detainees’ stories; the particular questions that had been asked to elicit reported information; the way interrogators had followed up on certain lines of questioning; the context of the interrogations so we could assess the credibility and demeanor of the detainees when they made the reported statements; and the views or assessments of the interrogators themselves.
The general counsel responded in writing with non-specific replies. The agency did not disclose that any interrogations had ever been recorded or that it had held any further relevant information, in any form. Not satisfied with this response, we decided that we needed to question the detainees directly, including Abu Zubaydah and a few other key captives.
In a lunch meeting on Dec. 23, 2003, George Tenet, the C.I.A. director, told us point blank that we would have no such access. A meeting on Jan. 21, 2004, with Mr. Tenet, the White House counsel, the secretary of defense and a representative from the Justice Department also resulted in the denial of commission access to the detainees. Once again, videotapes were not mentioned.
….As a legal matter, it is not up to us to examine the C.I.A.’s failure to disclose the existence of these tapes. That is for others. What we do know is that government officials decided not to inform a lawfully constituted body, created by Congress and the president, to investigate one the greatest tragedies to confront this country. We call that obstruction.
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 5:52 am
Posted on 9/15/21 at 6:11 am to supatigah
Pretty evident that America wasn’t under attack, at all places , everywhere.
No schools blew up.
No kids died.
You’re doing what the terrorists want, 20 years after the fact.
* they couldn’t even find the White House from the air in well mapped out DC. How do you think they’d find an elementary school in a random suburban neighborhood?
No schools blew up.
No kids died.
You’re doing what the terrorists want, 20 years after the fact.
* they couldn’t even find the White House from the air in well mapped out DC. How do you think they’d find an elementary school in a random suburban neighborhood?
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 6:18 am
Posted on 9/15/21 at 7:07 am to thermal9221
I doubt you are an expert either especially with your juvenile and unfunny bio.
The point is that there are good counter arguments to the government narrative regarding a multitude of "facts". Believe what you want. I don't know the absolute involvement of the government. However, I have no doubt the 3 letter agencies are capable of this level of deceit and subterfuge.
The point is that there are good counter arguments to the government narrative regarding a multitude of "facts". Believe what you want. I don't know the absolute involvement of the government. However, I have no doubt the 3 letter agencies are capable of this level of deceit and subterfuge.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 12:36 pm to LittleRockDoc
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The point is that there are good counter arguments to the government narrative regarding a multitude of "facts".
First and foremost is the indisputable reality that the official 9/11 Commission Report — in the same manner as the Warren Commission Report about the Kennedy Assassination — was at least in part a gaslighting operation to protect the interests of our nation’s wholly corrupted national security apparatus. By the doctrine of the fruit of the poisonous tree, every conclusion in the official 9/11 inquiry is thus in someway tainted.
To what degree the report is compromised and how deep the coverup, we simply can’t say with any degree of certainty. On that point there is no debate: anyone claiming otherwise is a fool or a tool.
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 12:38 pm to LittleRockDoc
Tin foil hat garbage.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 12:52 pm to Torqued Pork
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Tin foil hat garbage
No matter the exact details of how the buildings came down and the depths of the conspiracy behind the attack, anyone claiming that our nation’s wholly corrupted intelligence apparatus did not engage in a coverup — both before and after the 9/11 attacks — are the actual members of the lunatic fringe who are divorced from reality.
Same as with the Kennedy assassination, we may never know the who, the whats or the whys of what happened on 9/11.
What we do know is that our nation’s intelligence apparatus will lie, stonewall and even disseminate false information to protect it’s power.
DECLARATION OF FBI SPECIAL AGENT STEPHEN K. MOORE
….Based on evidence we gathered during the course of our investigation, I concluded that diplomatic and intelligence personnel of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia knowingly provided material support to the two 9/11 hijackers and facilitated the 9/11 plot. My colleagues in our investigation shared that conclusion.
We determined that Fahad al-Thumairy ("Thumairy") was a representative of the Saudi Arabia Ministry of Islamic Affairs who was granted diplomatic status by Saudi Arabia and posted at Saudi Arabia's Los Angeles Consulate. Thumairy also served as an Imam at the King Fahad Mosque, which was funded by the Saudi royal family and named after the Saudi King. We learned that Thumairy controlled that Mosque both religiously and fmancially. He had a reputation for extreme anti-U.S. views and was aligned and inspired a radical faction inside the Mosque.
We determined that Thumairy and another Saudi employee who we believed was a Saudi intelligence agent, Omar al-Bayoumi ("Bayoumi"), were active participants in a terror cell associated withal Qaeda that provided substantial financial and logistical support to Hazmi and Mihdhar…
Posted on 9/15/21 at 2:46 pm to LittleRockDoc
I’m a superintendent for a general contractor.
I know we fireproof steel in case there’s a fire.
I know that a 7 hour fire uncontrolled with a heavy load above it can cause a collapse.
I know we fireproof steel in case there’s a fire.
I know that a 7 hour fire uncontrolled with a heavy load above it can cause a collapse.
Posted on 9/15/21 at 3:03 pm to Y.A. Tittle
And what were they reading, out loud?
“The Pet Goat”?
“Kite, Hit, Steel, Plane, Must”.,
“Get ready”..
Strange coincidence?
“The Pet Goat”?
“Kite, Hit, Steel, Plane, Must”.,
“Get ready”..
Strange coincidence?
Posted on 9/15/21 at 3:23 pm to LittleRockDoc
You have an interesting definition of documentary.
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