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re: 7 Quick Takeaways from America's New Trade Agreement with Canada and Mexico
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:22 pm to I B Freeman
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:22 pm to I B Freeman
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The agreement will require at least 30 percent of cars (rising to 40 percent by 2023) to be made by workers earning $16 an hour. This will force more cars to be produced in the U.S. and Canada since the typical manufacturing wage in Mexico is only about $5 per hour. The agreement also requires Mexico to make it easier for workers to form unions, which will make them less competitive against more productive unionized workers in the U.S. and Canada.
I'm going to pick out this point as it seems the most negative in the article, and probably the one IB is literally shaking over.
Yes it will raise car prices... which in turn does what?
Forces increased competition and use R&D and CREATIVITY to find more efficient use of production, rather than taking the simple approach of moving to another country with rock bottom wages.
Short term we pay higher prices, long-term U.S. benefits.
Secondly, this opens up a much larger job market in the U.S. Jobs are one of the most important aspects of an economy, if not the most important. More of the labor force employed means increased M velocity, less crime, higher wages which has benefit ripples throughout the economy.
Again, short term higher prices, long-term U.S. benefits.
I could keep going on, but the main point for you to learn IB is to look beyond what's right in front of your face, and look towards the future.
You really think Trump would do all of this if he was only interested in short term gains??? He would look like a genius (to the ignorants) if he did so because short term indicators would rise. But 10-20 years from now we'd look back on the deal, as we do NAFTA, and realize ignorant/corrupt politicians weren't thinking for the long-term.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:23 pm to I B Freeman
That's not a persuasive argument.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:24 pm to PickupAutist
Have you read any of the Canadian coverage of the deal??
Their spin--just like Trump's spin--is that Canada won. That all Trump got was a very small concession on dairy product that still limits the amount of dairy from the US that can be sold in Canada without the large tariff.
Their spin--just like Trump's spin--is that Canada won. That all Trump got was a very small concession on dairy product that still limits the amount of dairy from the US that can be sold in Canada without the large tariff.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:24 pm to omegaman66
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omegaman66
Yes. Backdoor imports are shut down.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:24 pm to I B Freeman
Come on man, frick.
You selfish greedy piece of shite with your god damn tariffs.
You just love to see Americans fricked to death by foreigners, don’t you?
They would have shot your arse during ww2
What a fricking worm. You aren’t a conservative. You aren’t a liberal. You are a globalist anti American worker piece of shite and we all see you for what you are.
You selfish greedy piece of shite with your god damn tariffs.
You just love to see Americans fricked to death by foreigners, don’t you?
They would have shot your arse during ww2
What a fricking worm. You aren’t a conservative. You aren’t a liberal. You are a globalist anti American worker piece of shite and we all see you for what you are.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:25 pm to The Baker
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What if the messenger is intentionally propagating a shitty message?
Then it must be an IB thread!
Even with the massive spin in the article, I’m still having trouble finding problems with this agreement.
This post was edited on 10/2/18 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:25 pm to Johnpettigrew
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You are just pissed they have not come to an agreement with the Chinese yet.
Trump is gonna make the Chinese squint when they read the fine print.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:26 pm to I B Freeman
We all know this is about your personal business and personal interest and has nothing to do with you having any concern about your fellow Americans (or anyone except yourself). I’d respect you if you would at least admit that and discussed what you really were concerned about instead of framing it as something completely different.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:27 pm to BurningHeart
Name me a tariff in history that made a benefactor company more efficient and more productive? one that did not raise cost to consumers?
Friggin tariffs by the EU on agricultural products have left tiny farmers in business working with equipment American agriculture abandoned 50 years ago.
Friggin tariffs by the EU on agricultural products have left tiny farmers in business working with equipment American agriculture abandoned 50 years ago.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:28 pm to BurningHeart
And one more thing...
Look at the disparity between service sector growth and manufacturing stagnation.
We're all fine and dandy about this now, because the U.S. is a leading producer of service jobs.
What happens 15-20 years from now when these emerging economies (China, India, etc.) begin growing their service sectors as well?
If we keep heading down this same path, we'd lose BOTH manufacturing and service to these countries due to wage gaps. That would leave the U.S. in a big pile of shite when that time comes.
Fortunately we have Trump who recognized this and is making changes to help balance where manufacturing and service jobs are headquartered in the world.
I swear if libs had better business knowledge, removed their bias, and were able to see the long-term... they'd all be Trump supporters.
Look at the disparity between service sector growth and manufacturing stagnation.
We're all fine and dandy about this now, because the U.S. is a leading producer of service jobs.
What happens 15-20 years from now when these emerging economies (China, India, etc.) begin growing their service sectors as well?
If we keep heading down this same path, we'd lose BOTH manufacturing and service to these countries due to wage gaps. That would leave the U.S. in a big pile of shite when that time comes.
Fortunately we have Trump who recognized this and is making changes to help balance where manufacturing and service jobs are headquartered in the world.
I swear if libs had better business knowledge, removed their bias, and were able to see the long-term... they'd all be Trump supporters.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:29 pm to PickupAutist
Wrong. Our products were removed from the tariff list.
quite the contrary. I have a LOT of concern about my fellow Americans and do no want tariffs to raise prices to families out there tryin to get ahead while a small number of select business make BILLLIONS because of protectionist tariffs.
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concern about your fellow Americans
quite the contrary. I have a LOT of concern about my fellow Americans and do no want tariffs to raise prices to families out there tryin to get ahead while a small number of select business make BILLLIONS because of protectionist tariffs.
This post was edited on 10/2/18 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:30 pm to I B Freeman
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Have you read any of the Canadian coverage of the deal?? Their spin--just like Trump's spin--is that Canada won. That all Trump got was a very small concession on dairy product that still limits the amount of dairy from the US that can be sold in Canada without the large tariff.
Please tell us specifically what Trump lost out of this deal that we didn’t have before. Just a single thing ?
I’m very aware Canadian media is spinning this as a Justin victory, even though Trump got everything he wanted - on autos, dairy, intellectual property, etc - and Canada got absolutely nothing.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:30 pm to Jake88
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US pharmaceutical companies get an additional two years of revenue from their brand name products
Will be a good jump start for Canadian pharmaceuticals.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:31 pm to I B Freeman
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Name me a tariff in history that made a benefactor company more efficient and more productive? one that did not raise cost to consumers?
Friggin tariffs by the EU on agricultural products have left tiny farmers in business working with equipment American agriculture abandoned 50 years ago.
See, you're already responding emotionally without reading my whole post through and thinking logically before responding...
We all have said tariffs WILL increase prices, especially in the short-term. However there are long-term benefits, as I already described to you.
I ask again... do you really think Trump would slow down this economy for no reason at all? His whole legacy rides on the economy of this country, and his legacy is what he's concerned about.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:32 pm to I B Freeman
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As the Washington Post notes,
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:35 pm to BurningHeart
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Look at the disparity between service sector growth and manufacturing stagnation.
Automation will finish off manufacturing in the US. It's not a good idea to put hope in restoring middle class manufacturing jobs
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:35 pm to The Baker
What the OP needs to compare instead of just continuing to push the muh-tariffs-schtick on us, is to compare NAFTA to USMCA and look at overall where the USA is in a much better and more favorable position under USMCA.
But, you know, muh tariffs and shite... So yeah, don't expect to see a fair, side by side.
Oh, and I wonder if the OP also researched what this agreement does to China? Or is this just research of a WaPo link only... hint: China isn't happy about this and they can manipulate their currency only a handful more times to stay afloat before they begin to actually collapse.
But, you know, muh tariffs and shite... So yeah, don't expect to see a fair, side by side.
Oh, and I wonder if the OP also researched what this agreement does to China? Or is this just research of a WaPo link only... hint: China isn't happy about this and they can manipulate their currency only a handful more times to stay afloat before they begin to actually collapse.
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:36 pm to BurningHeart
Simply has not be proven to be a problem.
The idea that we have to be a manufacturing economy is wrong headed. (We will again be a manufacturing economy as labor becomes less and less a cost of manufacturing as AI and robots expand.)
Most of the countries that have an average income higher than ours are not manufacturing economies. LINK
The idea that we have to be a manufacturing economy is wrong headed. (We will again be a manufacturing economy as labor becomes less and less a cost of manufacturing as AI and robots expand.)
Most of the countries that have an average income higher than ours are not manufacturing economies. LINK
Posted on 10/2/18 at 9:38 pm to I B Freeman
It’s hillarious how after every Trump victory on trade journowhores have to resort to, “it doesn’t matter because... robots!”. Would we not want robots designed, manufactured, installed, and maintained in America? Would that not give us a more powerful and dynamic economy? If robots are the future, it seems like the country that leads in that sector would stand to gain a lot, would they not? It makes zero sense.
Never mind that the same people say importing Pedro is crucial for our economy because of his low-skilled, manual labor all while fantasizing about your job being taken away by robots. It makes no sense.
Never mind that the same people say importing Pedro is crucial for our economy because of his low-skilled, manual labor all while fantasizing about your job being taken away by robots. It makes no sense.
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