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re: 5 mostly North Eastern states have more Covid deaths than rest of country
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:33 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:33 am to RD Dawg
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In retrospect sure but there was no federal policy that "shut down" anything other than airline travel but there was certainly many unknowns when this thing first hit. It was contained for the most part on the west coast and Rockies but exploded in the NE.Lots of unknowns and I don't blame some for shutting down for a couple of weeks to gather data and target their approach (DeSantis)
I don’t blame them for shutting down for a couple weeks either. But the shut downs didn’t allow for any meaningful data to be collected as to what a non shutdown looked like. We’re only doing that now. And we have shutdowns that are stretching into three months.
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Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:38 am to Revelator
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Phase 1,2 and 3 directives issued by the White House. Those directives.
Interesting because they're called guidelines and guidance on the whitehouse.gov website
LINK
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Continue to adhere to State and local guidance as well as complementary CDC guidance, particularly with respect to face coverings.
Where are you seeing the "directives?" Even if the word is being used it's still not an EO.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:38 am to keks tadpole
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Television has no borders. People live in a bubble with TV. Local media affiliates get their narratives from the network. IMO, local media, who followed those narratives, are as much to blame as the MSM.
Nearly all of our national news comes out of NYC. It's really the NY "National" News and it is produced by people who are over 90% leftists and ultra liberals.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:42 am to RD Dawg
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Where are you seeing the "directives?" Even if the word is being used it's still not an EO.
Ok, that was a bad word choice by me, but it doesn’t change my opinion that if Trump had pushed for the economy to stay open after that initial 2 weeks period, many Republican governors would have followed his lead.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:44 am to Revelator
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Think about this. If Trump had come out from day one or shortly after and said,” We aren’t shutting down the entire country, but instead, we will quarantine those at risk, those infected, use social distancing and let the places less affected keep working.”
Do you not believe that many governors, especially Republican ones would have used that proclamation as grounds to stay fully open?
Fair point, I do think people who wanted to act a certain way would have used anything put out by the White House as a way to push what they already wanted.
But the White House couldn’t logically say nothing so they opted for the guidelines (which weren’t binding in any way at all)
The guidelines did what you are arguing for in the sense that they acknowledged the situation isn’t the same everywhere so reopening isn’t going to be one size fits all using the guidelines (which, to say it again, weren’t binding to anyone at all)
I’m critical of Trump on plenty of things, for this board is probably be called a Trump hater, but the stuff the White House publishes on COVID was very reasonable IMO. If it was used by some governors to enact bad ideas I don’t think you can reasonably blame the White House for that
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:47 am to the808bass
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But the shut downs didn’t allow for any meaningful data to be collected as to what a non shutdown looked like
That would be virtually impossible to gather and no doubt liability concerns played a huge impact on closings.
The data gathering should have directed specifically at who was at risk and improving those situations.(see DeSantis)
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And we have shutdowns that are stretching into three months.
Which is insipid and if people in Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania,Maine and Virginia don't throw their Governers out they deserve the misery inflicted upon those states
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:47 am to Revelator
Low vitamin D + high population density
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:49 am to the808bass
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I don’t blame them for shutting down for a couple weeks either. But the shut downs didn’t allow for any meaningful data to be collected as to what a non shutdown looked like. We’re only doing that now. And we have shutdowns that are stretching into three months.
We had very good data for that early on with the 3700 passengers on the Diamond Princess. Everyone on board was tested. It was a worst case scenario since it was loaded with a disproportionate number of elderly. 7 elderly died, 17% of the ship was infected, nearly half of those infected had no symptoms. The picture was clear at that point.
LINK Diamond Princess
I have no respect for that bureaucratic, academic, Hillary loving flip-flopper Fauci. He's been wrong at every step.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 5/25/20 at 11:49 am to the808bass
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Do people still watch local news?
Sure, in small markets for local politics, weather and sports. In a county where 1% of the population has a confirmed case (1972), and 5% died (108) mostly nursing home patients, they have made fools of themselves.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:06 pm to Revelator
Democrat regimes sent Covid carriers into nursing homes to kill as many people as possible to make Trump look bad.
Prove me wrong
Prove me wrong
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:14 pm to Revelator
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Revelator
Trump shite the bed on this. No doubt.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:22 pm to Revelator
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But the directives from the White House and Fauci made no distinction for months
That is false and you know it douche...but still frick Fauci
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:31 pm to dgnx6
How the frick does Massachusetts have a Republican governor
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:04 pm to Jrv2damac
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How the frick does Massachusetts have a Republican governor
They've had republican Senators and Goveners in the last 20 years...it's not as liberal as most folks think but they certainly have produced their share of unhinged Dems.
Unfortunately the house districts are completely rigged so republicans don't stand much of a chance there.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 2:18 pm to Auburn1968
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We had very good data for that early on with the 3700 passengers on the Diamond Princess. Everyone on board was tested. It was a worst case scenario since it was loaded with a disproportionate number of elderly. 7 elderly died, 17% of the ship was infected, nearly half of those infected had no symptoms. The picture was clear at that point.
It's a small antiseptic snap shot.
There are still multitudes of unanswered questions:
Why didn't San Francisco or LA come close to getting hammered like NYC or even Boston? Tons of travel between SF and China along with population density (not like NYC obviously)
I get the Nursing Home frick ups in NY but you could take away all those deaths and they are still getting hammered.
How in the world did Japan avoid this? (relative terms) They didn't shut down and have one of the highest elderly populations and are far more dense than the US.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 9:01 pm to Jrv2damac
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How the frick does Massachusetts have a Republican governor
Sure Willard Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts. The NE has always kept Rhino Republicans ready to deploy in case their Democrats 'lose' it's how they control the Country and its fiances; though they do share with the West Coast to lock in their votes. So, yeah technically they are Republicans of a sort....
Posted on 5/25/20 at 10:14 pm to teebro
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Sure Willard Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts.
and William Weld
some real stalwarts there
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