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re: 40% of all living veterans are on disability benefits
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:41 am to Ricardo
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:41 am to Ricardo
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I don’t blame the veterans going after the benefits. I’m more concerned about the system that is easily abused.
The bar is too low for receiving thousands of dollars a month. Guys that claim tinnitus and ptsd are getting $3500 a month for life.
that's really a separate issue from fraud. if some guy legitimately has tinnitus and sleep apnea and gets paid for those things, well more power to him. but i agree with your post in general.
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Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:45 am to Sam Quint
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that's really a separate issue from fraud. if some guy legitimately has tinnitus and sleep apnea and gets paid for those things, well more power to him. but i agree with your post in general.
What I'm saying is there's not really a good objective test for some of these conditions. All a troop has to say is he has nightmares and trouble sleeping at night because he hears high pitched sounds.
Granted. It may be true, but it may also be an exaggeration. I mean, lots of people have nightmares and issues with their hearing. That doesn't mean it's from combat. It could be from an abusive childhood and going to too many rock concerts.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:49 am to Ricardo
38cfr also takes into consideration of aggravated injuries post service also.
Just like your example, some things get worse overtime. Nobody is getting 70-100% rating for saying they have nightmares and sleeping issues in one therapy session and filing a claim.
Just like your example, some things get worse overtime. Nobody is getting 70-100% rating for saying they have nightmares and sleeping issues in one therapy session and filing a claim.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:50 am to Ricardo
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What I'm saying is there's not really a good objective test for some of these conditions. All a troop has to say is he has nightmares and trouble sleeping at night because he hears high pitched sounds.
Granted. It may be true, but it may also be an exaggeration. I mean, lots of people have nightmares and issues with their hearing. That doesn't mean it's from combat. It could be from an abusive childhood and going to too many rock concerts.
oh yeah i agree 100%. that's mostly what i've been saying on this thread.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:50 am to DeBoar
You say that, but I know people that do, so you're wrong.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:52 am to DeBoar
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Nobody is getting 70-100% rating for saying they have nightmares and sleeping issues in one therapy session and filing a claim.
this is absolutely true. it takes effort and multiple trips to medical and therapy over months and years. that's why i said in my earlier post that many of these troops make it their full time job to prepare for their future VA claim. you cant just walk in on your last day and say a bunch of stuff and get paid. the system is broken but it's not THAT broken.
This post was edited on 7/14/26 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:52 am to Ricardo
They are not getting an automatic 70-100% from one therapy session. Anyone who thinks that is just stupid. There has to be evidence for each level under each condition.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:54 am to DeBoar
Did I write that they got it in one session? I don't think I did. I'm saying that I know people that make it a point to go to the VA to get their disability claims.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:55 am to Ricardo
You literally doubled down by replying to me with this
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You say that, but I know people that do, so you're wrong.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 10:58 am to DeBoar
I want you to read what I'm writing. Not what you think I'm writing. If you disagree. That's fine, but you're wrong about that. These Joes are fully capable of working and do good work. They are not, "disabled." They are considered disabled by a physician(s) at the VA.
What I'm saying is the bar is too low for considerable benefits. You may interpret that as, "one session." That is not the same thing.
What I'm saying is the bar is too low for considerable benefits. You may interpret that as, "one session." That is not the same thing.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:00 am to Ricardo
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What I'm saying is the bar is too low for considerable benefits. You may interpret that as, "one session." That is not the same thing.
i think you just missed where he said the one session thing. he said "you cant get a claim from one session" and your next post was "You say that, but I know people that do, so you're wrong." i dotn think you meant to say that you know people getting 100% from one session but that's how it sounded
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:02 am to Ricardo
You’re actually wrong about this whole thing, it isnt about disability at all it’s paid out for compensation and pension due to injuries or illness sustained while in service and those ratings post service. It doesn’t matter if they can work or not this isn’t SSDI. Hence why most who are 100% don’t get SSDI. Keep arguing about stuff you have no clue about.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:04 am to Sam Quint
You're right, but that's also not what I said. This is a common strategy in an argument. Someone makes a claim and then someone counters it with an even more outrageous standard that was never made.
The point is, it's too easy to "fake" an illness and get paid. Some of these conditions need to be reevaluated. We're not talking about men with shellshock literally trembling and babbling incoherently. We're talking about guys that are for all intents and purposes completely normal, but know what to say to the doctors.
The point is, it's too easy to "fake" an illness and get paid. Some of these conditions need to be reevaluated. We're not talking about men with shellshock literally trembling and babbling incoherently. We're talking about guys that are for all intents and purposes completely normal, but know what to say to the doctors.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:12 am to Ricardo
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The point is, it's too easy to "fake" an illness and get paid.
If it’s so easy ….
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:15 am to DeBoar
I'm a veteran. That's how I know others that are receiving benefits. I wouldn't ever throw them under the bus though. That's why I say I don't blame them for doing what they're doing. I take issue with the system that has enabled this behavior.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:16 am to Ricardo
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You're right, but that's also not what I said
brother, i'm trying to help you out here. he said this:
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Nobody is getting 70-100% rating for saying they have nightmares and sleeping issues in one therapy session and filing a claim.
and your very next post was this:
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You say that, but I know people that do, so you're wrong.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:18 am to Sam Quint
I'm not going to argue about something I never claimed with regard to, "one session." That was an attempt to diminish the statement that I made.
This is what is wrong. People obviously have a bias. I understand that. I want to help veterans as much as the next guy, but I also see that there is abuse in the system.
This is what is wrong. People obviously have a bias. I understand that. I want to help veterans as much as the next guy, but I also see that there is abuse in the system.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:19 am to Ricardo
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I take issue with the system that has enabled this behavior.
So should we start a draft and allow service members to be allowed to make work comp claims and sue the government? I don’t think your argument wants to go down that path and see how much worse the system could actually be.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:29 am to DeBoar
I don't know why you think you need to create a false premise. I am not trying to make things worse for anybody. I just see that good intentions have led us down the path to hell.
I'm not trying to take benefits away from people that are legitimately injured in the line of duty. It's just that we're now at the point that we're paying benefits to perfectly normal people.
I get it. There are a lot of other issues that people would like addressed as well. It doesn't mean that we have to ignore this one.
I'm not trying to take benefits away from people that are legitimately injured in the line of duty. It's just that we're now at the point that we're paying benefits to perfectly normal people.
I get it. There are a lot of other issues that people would like addressed as well. It doesn't mean that we have to ignore this one.
Posted on 7/14/26 at 11:35 am to Ricardo
And it’s legitimately being looked into and fixed. Go on social media and search this stuff out about how they’re removing benefits from even 100% p&t like the school stipend for high school students of veterans. Go look at the changes to sleep apnea that has happened. Look at all the claims that have been denied or new c&p exams scheduled because of weak claims.
My dad has been out for decades and decided to file claims recently and he has been denied for everything but he falls into a category that can use the VA, he’s very happy he’s allowed to do so. I think it’s crazy how restrictive they’re being at the moment to be quite honest because with his service and post service career he should be at 100% easily. So yeah it’s not that easy or corrupt as you say.
My dad has been out for decades and decided to file claims recently and he has been denied for everything but he falls into a category that can use the VA, he’s very happy he’s allowed to do so. I think it’s crazy how restrictive they’re being at the moment to be quite honest because with his service and post service career he should be at 100% easily. So yeah it’s not that easy or corrupt as you say.
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