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re: 30-year fixed-rate mortgages reach 7.15%

Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:33 am to
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80224 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:33 am to
Glad I locked in and bought down points 2 months ago… don’t see rates falling low enough to justify a refi for years upon years.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:35 am to
Damn, I locked in at more than half that right before the pandemic
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31004 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:36 am to
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He literally was trying to put section 8 housing in the middle of uber affluent areas.


All of this is part of a bigger plan. They are trying to mix out red areas. They are at war with the middle class independent patriotic Americans.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
8629 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:40 am to
Just remember what high rates due to our gov huge deficit

Three month T-Bills now trading in the 4.17% range.

Street stat :

Every 100bp increase on interest rates = $230bln increase in annual interest costs to federal govt
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74256 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:42 am to
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Not sure who you quoted for the above response


Not a quote its a fact

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but wondering something...what rate are mortgage providers paying now compared to a year/6 months ago?


Rates have doubled from a year ago. Maybe 1% more from 6mnths ago with the inflation report caused rates to spike. Rates dropped big over the summer when the fed hiked rates .75. Then 2 big inflation reports caused then to spike again

Oct report is going to be the one to look at
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:47 am to
You're seriously a fricking liberal cuck.
Posted by crash1211
Houma
Member since May 2008
3140 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:48 am to
My house in 1993 was 8%
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12698 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:49 am to
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Not to mention Fannie Mae predicts 4.3% rates


Same Fannie Mae that fricked us in the mid 2000’s? And we had to bail out to the tune of 116 Billion taxpayer dollars?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74256 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:56 am to
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You're seriously a fricking liberal cuck


What the frick are you talking about

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Same Fannie Mae that fricked us in the mid 2000’s? And we had to bail out to the tune of 116 Billion taxpayer dollars?




Maybe. Not sure why you are so angry that im providing a reason why rates will drop
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 9:57 am to
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Interest rates were NEVER supposed to be ZERO forever. It was bad policy that we had to pay for at some point. We have an entire generation that has no idea what the net present value of money is because interest rates were non-existent.
Most people don't realize that historically in order for the Fed to use the fed funds rate as a policy prescription, the Fed has to raise their rates to roughly 2% ABOVE the rate of inflation. Otherwise raising the Fed rate doesn't work to tame inflation.

So, assuming the above, and the rate of inflation at 8.3%... 10+% Fed funds rate? I know the projections are for 4.25%-4.50%, but that shite don't work historically. Further, if the Fed funds rate is at 10+%, where are mortgage rates going to be?

Keep in mind USD hegemony has to be protected at all costs, so inflation has to be tamed. I don't know of many other policy prescriptions other than shrink the Fed balance sheet. The Fed rate is designed to slow money velocity and retracts USD in circulation. Anything else? I'm no econometrics nerd so I'm swimming in deep water.
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 9:59 am
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
4796 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:07 am to
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Keep in mind USD hegemony has to be protected at all costs, so inflation has to be tamed. I don't know of many other policy prescriptions other than shrink the Fed balance sheet. The Fed rate is designed to slow money velocity and retracts USD in circulation. Anything else? I'm no econometrics nerd so I'm swimming in deep water.


Walk it forward into 2023 and you'll see how Powell raising like a bat of hell now (something you don't often see in a mid-term year) appears to be setting the stage for major unemployment in 2023/2024. That's when the real shite hits the fan, Carter type stagflation on steroids.
Posted by Sput
Member since Mar 2020
7966 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:08 am to
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Not excusing Biden of anything but when I first started in the Mortgage business many years ago that rate was low.


I remember refinancing to get to like 6.85 and the mortgage folks said “you are smart, rates will never be this low again”
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167499 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:10 am to
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Maybe. Not sure why you are so angry that im providing a reason why rates will drop





Inflation will not be contained in Q1. I will bet you anything on that. There is no way rates are below 5% as you are predicting.

FYI, earlier this year Fannie predicted rates would drop in Q4 of this year and the opposite happened.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29168 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:15 am to
It’s gonna hurt if I have to move. Got in at 2.5 a couple of years ago.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29263 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:17 am to
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I don't think the hikes would be as severe under Trump. I have long said that rates need to go up but the pace of the hikes is unprecedented.


The problem is that rates have been rock bottom for the past decade, if anything, both Obama's and Trump's feds should've started raising rates a few years ago.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74256 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:17 am to
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Inflation will not be contained in Q1. I will bet you anything on that. There is no way rates are below 5% as you are predicting.



I agree
But if Oct is a better number than the insane one from last Oct then it will seem that it is
2 more Fed hikes as well

Lacy Hunt was talking about this
This post was edited on 10/19/22 at 10:20 am
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37732 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:19 am to
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Biden has now killed the real estate market as well.


You know this is not true, so why are you saying it?

Biden did not cause inflation and he does not control interest rates.

The guy is a vegetable, but if you think he has anything to do with this real estate market your IQ is even lower than I had originally thought.
Posted by El Magnifico
La casa de tu mamá
Member since Jan 2014
7017 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:23 am to
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But yet cd rates are barely 2%. In the early 2000’s when home mortgages were in the mid to upper 6% range a one year cd was paying 4.75%



I broker 9 month cds at 4.318 ytw right now
Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
4796 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:25 am to
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Biden did not cause inflation


Potato's very first day in office begs to differ. There's no way you can be that ignorant to energy policy.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74256 posts
Posted on 10/19/22 at 10:25 am to
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Biden did not cause inflation


I mean cmon man
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