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3 tech companies spent 500% more on R&D than the top five US defense contractors

Posted on 5/27/14 at 7:50 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 7:50 pm
LINK

Byron Callan, an analyst with Capital Alpha Partners, concludes:

quote:

Boeing Defense, L-3 Communications, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, spent a total of $4.1 billion on R&D projects, while Google spent $8 billion, Apple $4.5 billion and Microsoft $10.4 billion.
Holy shite. I somehow was going through life thinking we needed to cut defense budgets. I mean, that's been beat into my head for years, now, by the mainstream media. Didn't realize they are falling behind so badly in R&D.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 7:53 pm to
So..........























Stimulus?
Posted by Asgard Device
The Daedalus
Member since Apr 2011
11562 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 7:56 pm to
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Didn't realize they are falling behind so badly in R&D


Fallen behind? Is it a competition?

Should military contract budgets be tied to how much google spends?
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:00 pm to
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I somehow was going through life thinking we needed to cut defense budgets. I mean, that's been beat into my head for years, now, by the mainstream media. Didn't realize they are falling behind so badly in R&D.


It would blow your mind how much crazy shite the DOD keeps under wraps.

Hell, we, the general public, didn't know about the SR-71 for a few decades for example.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72026 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:06 pm to
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It would blow your mind how much crazy shite the DOD keeps under wraps.
I bet you they already have these and they are just keeping them for themselves. Selfish bastards.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:08 pm to
If they have the warp drive and are keeping it from us I'm gonna be so pissed.

Being a space pirate is my lifelong dream.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72026 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:11 pm to
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Being a space pirate is my lifelong dream.

Damn right.

This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 8:12 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:14 pm to


The time setting of that movie is 2015 if I'm not mistaken. That's next year and still no flying cars or hover boards.
Posted by Zed
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:27 pm to
A great deal of defense R&D costs are borne by taxpayers, no? Are those numbers for independent R&D or do they included government funded programs too? I don't really know how it works, but those numbers sound extremely low relative to overall defense spending.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:39 pm to
This is a dumb comparison. our military budget shouldn't be based upon our high tech firms budgets.
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
46643 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:45 pm to
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I mean, that's been beat into my head for years, now, by the mainstream media.


If we cut down the Defense budget to 0 we'd still run a deficit with current spending rates
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:52 pm to
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If we cut down the Defense budget to 0 we'd still run a deficit with current spending rates



we ran a deficit of .7 trillion dollars last year and spent .8 trillion on defense

This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 8:53 pm
Posted by BACONisMEATcandy
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:16 pm to
Last I saw was that the CBO said deficit for FY 2013 was roughly $680 billion and defense spending was roughly $608 billion

ETA: CBO Link
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

LINK

Byron Callan, an analyst with Capital Alpha Partners, concludes:

quote:
Boeing Defense, L-3 Communications, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, spent a total of $4.1 billion on R&D projects, while Google spent $8 billion, Apple $4.5 billion and Microsoft $10.4 billion.
Holy shite. I somehow was going through life thinking we needed to cut defense budgets. I mean, that's been beat into my head for years, now, by the mainstream media. Didn't realize they are falling behind so badly in R&D.


This isn't surprising, there is a lot more money to be made in tech. What is the market capitalization of these firms compared to apple and google?

Also, their R&D can benefit the DoD, and while the reverse used to be true its unlikely at this point.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45196 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:15 pm to
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Holy shite. I somehow was going through life thinking we needed to cut defense budgets. I mean, that's been beat into my head for years, now, by the mainstream media. Didn't realize they are falling behind so badly in R&D.


Google makes about $50 billion a year in ad revenue. What the frick does them spending $8B/year on R&D have anything to do with defense contractors?
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:23 pm to
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This is a dumb comparison. our military budget shouldn't be based upon our high tech firms budgets.


Not to mention he's picking three of the most cash rich companies on the planet as his comparison.

I'm guessing the military spends a bit more than five billion on R & D.

Even by the (sometimes low) standards of this board, this thread's premise is pretty bad.
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:24 pm to
You know what L-3 Communications does? They own the communications fiber backbone. They don't actually make anything so I do not think it is bad that they are not spending a bunch of money on R&D.
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