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re: 17-year-old is on life support after being shot by San Antonio officer at McDonald's

Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:48 am to
Posted by Raw Chili
Member since Oct 2022
17 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:48 am to
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So you are one of those who think that all cops are bad people right?

The institution is the problem. It's systemic. The police will never fail to obey unconstitutional orders. They are not your friends, by definition, as an institution.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:52 am to
I don't usually watch videos. I read the articles. The linked previous article stated it was unclear if he had stolen the car
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 7:52 am
Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
1710 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:52 am to
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Knowing what a stressful job they have, why not just comply?



Comply with reasonable orders.

Imagine if you were in a parking lot at night, eating a burger when someone throws the door open, puts a gun at you, and shouts at you to get out. In that instant, would you “just comply?”


If they're wearing a police uniform, yes. Was this an officer in uniform or a plainclothes detective?
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:57 am to
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They are not your friends, by definition, as an institution.
Until you, by definition, are getting assaulted with weapons...

ever been an attempted murder on you YET?
Posted by azcatiger
somewhere
Member since Mar 2011
5354 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:00 am to
Too many non police shootings to even count…so you post the one or two you can count. Got it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135378 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:00 am to
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The linked previous article stated it was unclear if he had stolen the car
It had a License Plate. The cop has an electronic database. It's searchable. Enter the license number. See if the vehicle is hot.

or alternately, don't check, and instead go blow away a shocked 17y/o for driving a red car.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:01 am
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:03 am to
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but comply with the cops and you’ll never get shot/harmed.

How’s that boot taste?
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:05 am to
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What separates that behavior from a car jacker? Please explain

A badge, that's it.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:06 am to
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So you are one of those who think that all cops are bad people right?

Yep. Just how cops assume every person is a criminal until they prove otherwise, I assume every cop is looking to jack someone up until they prove otherwise.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:06 am to
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It had a License Plate. The cop has an electronic database. It's searchable. Enter the license number. See if the vehicle is hot.

Again, it's not whether the cop knew. The article is deliberately confusing. The kid looked right at the cop and then fled. I would bet the kid is a crook. And for the record, the video in no way states whether the vehicle is stolen. I watched it several times. The news is lying about this to stir up animosity.
Posted by Leotiger725
Member since Jan 2021
871 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:11 am to
People impersonate police officers during robberies, especially car jackings.

The officer never identified himself. The kid was right to be dubious.
Posted by International_Aggie
Member since Oct 2012
1989 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:11 am to
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quote:quote: Knowing what a stressful job they have, why not just comply? Comply with reasonable orders. Imagine if you were in a parking lot at night, eating a burger when someone throws the door open, puts a gun at you, and shouts at you to get out. In that instant, would you “just comply?” If they're wearing a police uniform, yes. Was this an officer in uniform or a plainclothes detective?


Again, this was at night and out of the blue. Most likely, it didn’t even register that the figure throwing his door open, shouting at him, and pointing a gun at him was even a police officer at all.

Instinct overrides thought processes in moments like this. I bet most people would react the same way this teenager did.

This is why police should make every effort to de-escalate and have more tools in their disposal than lethal weapons. Lethal force should only be used when life or limb of self or others are at risk. That was not the case here.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:14 am to
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The kid looked right at the cop and then fled


The cop gave no notice to identify himself and opened the door from behind the kid.

That's scary already.

Then he tries to manhandle the kid without identifying himself (IDGAF if he's in uniform) and fight or flight steps in.

That's scary too.

The officer WAS IN ABSOLUTELY ZERO DANGER FROM THE KID OR THE VEHICLE. UNLESS THE HALF EATEN BURGER WAS A WEAPON!

Fact.

The officer fired multiple shots, and also fired in the direction of civilians that could have been in the restaurant in his line of fire.

RECKLESS AND UNNECESSARY.

frick that cop - die!
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:15 am
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:14 am to
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Again, this was at night and out of the blue. Most likely, it didn’t even register that the figure throwing his door open, shouting at him, and pointing a gun at him was even a police officer at all.

Or the kid was a crook who ran from the cops already and got busted and took off again. You tell me because the media isn't going to tell us.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:15 am to
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frick that cop - die!

You seem a little upset. Try some deep breathing exercises to regain your center. Was the car stolen?
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:16 am
Posted by International_Aggie
Member since Oct 2012
1989 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:19 am to
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Or the kid was a crook who ran from the cops already and got busted and took off again. You tell me because the media isn't going to tell us.


I don’t know anything about the kids history. You know how this is avoided and straightened out, though? Park the cruiser behind the vehicle and turn the lights on. Run the plates to see if the vehicle is reported stolen or has open warrants. Slowly approach the vehicle and identify as police. If nervous, call for backup.

And don’t fire ten rounds in the direction civilians while someone is fleeing.

All round horrible police work and unjustifiable. Yet here you are, trying to justify it.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:20 am to
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You seem a little upset. Try some deep breathing exercises to regain your center. Was the car stolen?


A lot of assumptions. Anyone here ever - EEEEVVVEEERR seen a cop not pull someone over and not sit there and run the plates? That's standard op procedure you retard.

I see you're basic civil rights dumb and an apologist for unlawful acts.

I'm breathing son, and without support, unlike the poor kid that your blue buddy gunned down for no fricking reason at all but target practice.

frick you too.
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:21 am to
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I don’t know anything about the kids history. You know how this is avoided and straightened out, though? Park the cruiser behind the vehicle and turn the lights on. Run the plates to see if the vehicle is reported stolen or has open warrants.

Yep. Cop screwed up. Deserves to be fired. If the kid's a thief I don't really care what happened to him while fleeing. Was the car stolen?
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:22 am to
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I see you're basic civil rights dumb and an apologist for unlawful acts.

Like grand theft auto? Wasn't your car, though. NBD. Did you finish your breathing exercises? Was the car stolen?
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:23 am
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30346 posts
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:26 am to
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Muh ThIn BlUe LiNe!!

Cops are not your friend

I posted an NBC link for extra flavor.

nB4 'If He WouLD HaVe CoMpLiEd!!'

The police are not your friends. There's no such "thing" as the Thin Blue Line.


Out of the 3 million police interactions a year, people like you take the dozen or so that go bad that we hear about and call all cops out?

Yeah, cops are human. People at your workplace are human. Cops frick up. People at your workplace frick up. Being a police officer is a job. You expect all cops to be Jesus or something? Do no wrong??? Why, they're people too.

I'll fill you in.. 98% of people kinda suck in one way or another. Cops are no different, priests are no different, doctors are no different.


And one last thing...

When a cop walks up to my car and starts questioning me, my first reaction isn't to frantically drive off.

Not saying the cop isn't in the wrong here, but that interaction and drive off is suspicious in itself for the driver.

Didn't the cop believe that was a car from a chase the night before or was that completely fabricated? I'm asking because I don't know.

Because I think we can all agree that if any cop gets to be face to face with a runner from the night before, the cop is going to be quite aggressive. I can imagine how hard it would be to maintain professionalism in some of these situations.

Hell, reading this board puts me in a bad mood, and I'm just reading shite and watching a few posted videos at my desk. Can't imagine myself on scene in the middle of all this bullshite. I'd grow to completely despise people.. even more than I do now..
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:36 am
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