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re: 169 Dead, 644 Hospitalized in Illinois Breakthrough COVID Cases
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:07 am to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:07 am to Sasquatch Smash
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EFFICACY not EFFECTIVENESS.
Since your linked article is behind a paywall, I can’t check it out, I’ll assume they re-examined the folks in their clinical trial. Which is different than the mass vaccination events we’ve had for this thing which has included people rolling up in 80+ degree heat to get a shot in a YMCA parking lot drive-thru.
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Aug 5 (Reuters) - Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) said on Thursday its COVID-19 shot was about 93% effective through six months after the second dose, showing hardly any change from the 94% efficacy reported in its original clinical trial.
Moderna says its COVID-19 shot 93% effective six months after second dose
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:07 am to HaroldHood
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Here's another notable take by Ezike regarding the number of deaths/cause of death from the virus.
Such reliable sources of bad data.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:07 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:It's all about perspective. Iceland has one (1) CV19-attributed death since last December.
The Iceland case is proving this.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:09 am to Jjdoc
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What I posted was not suppose to happen at all.
That is incorrect. Pfizer and Moderna both stated a 94% efficacy-- meaning 6 in 100 (6%) of vaccinated would have a breakthrough case.
As to the death numbers, 69 represents 2.8% of the total Illinois Covid deaths since mid January when the vaccines became available.
Illinois has recorded 350,000 Covid cases since vaccines became available. These breakthrough numbers support getting the vaccine.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:11 am to NC_Tigah
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It's all about perspective. Iceland has one (1) CV19-attributed death since last December.
Its all about NARRATIVES. We havent been talking about deaths for WEEKS. Its been ALL about case spikes.
But of course, now that the "99.999999% of all cases are those nasty unvaxxed rednecks" narrative is falling apart, we have to naturally start focusing on deaths. Goalposts get moved again.
Why can't I just get access to all of the data and make my own decisions? Why isnt this even an option?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:12 am to Vacherie Saint
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Why can't I just get access to all of the data and make my own decisions? Why isnt this even an option?
What data are you looking for? There is all kinds of data available through the CDC and LDH.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:14 am to thingshavechanged
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As to the death numbers, 69 represents 2.8% of the total Illinois Covid deaths since mid January when the vaccines became available.
Again, this is an absolutely horrid way to measure the effectiveness of the vaccine. Full vaccination hadn't even hit 20% into April. OF COURSE the vast majority of cases and deaths "since January" are unvaxxed. You could also say the vast majority of car accidents and unwanted pregnancies since January are unvaxxed. That says nothing about efficacy.
quote:Maybe if I'm a septuagenarian with at least 2 comorbidities, but without knowing the long-term effects of the vaccine, its durability, or its robustness to future variants (things even the manufacturers dont really know), the vaccine may be a risk not worth taking.
These breakthrough numbers support getting the vaccine.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:18 am to hubertcumberdale
Really?
We have zero data in the number of folks who died from covid - only with covid. One of the most critical metrics, mortality rate, cannot be accurately conveyed.
We also are not given the official number of breakthrough cases. We were told by the administration that we didnt need to know the actual effectiveness of the vaccine.
Some of the most crucial information needed to make an informed decision about individual risks are being withheld from the people.
We have zero data in the number of folks who died from covid - only with covid. One of the most critical metrics, mortality rate, cannot be accurately conveyed.
We also are not given the official number of breakthrough cases. We were told by the administration that we didnt need to know the actual effectiveness of the vaccine.
Some of the most crucial information needed to make an informed decision about individual risks are being withheld from the people.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:19 am to Jjdoc
Good for those that took the jab. If it calms your fear, great! The virus is not behaving any different than any other virus. We just prolonged the herd immunity by locking down.
Some might even argue the vaccine helped spur this new spike with shedding.
We will probably learn someday that nothing could have saved many of these people except maybe the treatment that was so desperately vilified.
Some might even argue the vaccine helped spur this new spike with shedding.
We will probably learn someday that nothing could have saved many of these people except maybe the treatment that was so desperately vilified.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:19 am to hubertcumberdale
Haha. Just because you found a news agency calling it “effectiveness” rather than “efficacy,” doesn’t change that this data came from their randomized controlled trial...which is efficacy, not effectiveness.
Let’s just go to the horse’s mouth, the Moderna press release:
For the final time, efficacy and effectiveness are different things.
Let’s just go to the horse’s mouth, the Moderna press release:
quote:
Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine mRNA-1273: Final blinded analysis of Phase 3 COVE study shows 93% efficacy; Efficacy remains durable through six months after second dose
For the final time, efficacy and effectiveness are different things.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:25 am to Sasquatch Smash
The CDC defines VE and how its measured:
quote:CDC
Vaccine Effectiveness Studies
Experts are working on many types of assessments to determine COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness in real-world conditions. These are known as vaccine effectiveness (“VE”) studies. The goal is to understand how a vaccine protects people outside of strict clinical trial settings, where storage and delivery are monitored and participants are usually healthy.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:29 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Haha. Just because you found a news agency calling it “effectiveness” rather than “efficacy,” doesn’t change that this data came from their randomized controlled trial...which is efficacy, not effectiveness.
Let’s just go to the horse’s mouth, the Moderna press release:
quote:
Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine mRNA-1273: Final blinded analysis of Phase 3 COVE study shows 93% efficacy; Efficacy remains durable through six months after second dose
For the final time, efficacy and effectiveness are different things.
quote:
In this multistate analysis of adults aged >=65 years, receipt of an authorized COVID-19 vaccine was associated with significant protection against COVID-19 hospitalization. Effectiveness was 94% among adults who were fully vaccinated and 64% among adults who were partially vaccinated (i.e., onset of COVID-like illness >=14 days after the first vaccine dose in a 2-dose series but <14 days after the second dose). These findings are consistent with efficacy determined from clinical trials in the subgroup of adults aged >=65 years (4,5).
Effectiveness of Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna Vaccines Against COVID-19 Among Hospitalized Adults Aged =65 Years — United States, January–March 2021
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:32 am to Jjdoc
169 deaths sound more then a unicorn
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:45 am to Jjdoc
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IDPH Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike
She is fricking retarded.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:47 am to hubertcumberdale
Ha. Did you even read the article or just stopped at the summary?
I mean, I guess it’s a start, but to draw such conclusions from a study where exactly 19 people in your study are fully vaccinated (1 (0.5%) in the case patients and 18 (8%) of your controls) while 69% are completely unvaccinated leaves a lotto be desired.
They even acknowledge six limitations to their study, biggest being sample size.
I’d like to see them revisit this study now with data outside of their January to March window.
I mean, I guess it’s a start, but to draw such conclusions from a study where exactly 19 people in your study are fully vaccinated (1 (0.5%) in the case patients and 18 (8%) of your controls) while 69% are completely unvaccinated leaves a lotto be desired.
They even acknowledge six limitations to their study, biggest being sample size.
I’d like to see them revisit this study now with data outside of their January to March window.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:53 am to Jjdoc
Most recent 30 day trend line is 20% +/- 4% of Covid related deaths are from the vaxxed population.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:55 am to BurntOrangeMan
As of 8/5 59% of the Illinois population is fully vaxxed (ages 18+)
On 5/16 it was 48%. Recent trendline is 175k doses administered per week.
On 5/16 it was 48%. Recent trendline is 175k doses administered per week.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:56 am to Jjdoc
That 169 have also voted in the next 10 elections.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:04 pm to Jjdoc
Wasn’t the Emergency Use Authorization for these jabs for us to be their lab rats?
Well, so we’re dying? Isn’t that to be expected if the experimental drug fails?
Well, I guess it’s not working, right?
Well, so we’re dying? Isn’t that to be expected if the experimental drug fails?
Well, I guess it’s not working, right?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 12:04 pm to hubertcumberdale
What do you expect them to say, we know their vaccine does not keep you from being infected or from spreading the virus so what does the 93% figure mean exactly?
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