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re: 140 GOP congressmen voted to allow 300K jobs to be taken away from US grads today
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:30 pm to ewdij
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:30 pm to ewdij
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I teach computer science and I am damn good at it. This is the first time I am hearing that USA doesn't need CS professors.
We do need them. I would greatly prefer that they are American, if at all possible.
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Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:30 pm to jimmy the leg
Nothing gets by you
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:31 pm to jimmy the leg
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This highlights why changes have to be made.
Changes need to be made to the 1965 immigration act, and we should go back to quotas, emphasizing European immigration, on a far more strict basis.
The rest of the immigration conversation is a waste of time until we do that.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:32 pm to Caplewood
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Nothing gets by you
Haha, nice try amigo. But I know you are trolling.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:32 pm to jimmy the leg
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nice try amigo
Wait, you one a dem messicans?
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:34 pm to MrCarton
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Wait, you one a dem messicans?
Absolutely. I think my Hispanic heritage is equal to the Native American heritage of Fauxcahontas.
Adios
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:34 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:37 pm to MrCarton
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emphasizing European immigration
What if Europeans don't want to come? As I've said before, any reform to the immigration system has to include reforming the welfare state, as it relies on a larger and larger population base funding the social services. That fact is the reason for immigration to Europe, for example.
I have no problem with anyone coming here, regardless of where they come from, but the system has to be streamlined. The nativism angle interests me much less than the ability of America to make productive Americans out of anyone. That probably puts me in the minority here.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:38 pm to HempHead
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Do you feel any personal obligation to India? Obviously, you came to America for the purpose of getting the best education you could, and at this point to retain employment. Things you could not obtain in your native country. Are there any feelings of noblesse oblige towards your less-privileged and intelligent countrymen, to help shape them and your country in to a place you wouldn't leave in the first place?
I absolutely don't. Part of it is just my personality. I'm an extremely rational person and not really driven by emotions. I kind of have a mercenary attitude in that sense. Also, growing up in a poor country like India, you have to develop a different level of survival mentality/instinct just to block out all the shite happening around you. The problems in India are not going to be solved in next 50-60 years if ever, to the point where the living standards are similar to a developed country like USA.
This might sound of me lacking empathy for fellow Indians, but I don't regret or feel guilty about my decision to move to USA. This has been a great country to me for the last 16 years. It has changed me tremendously, and I've loved every bit of it.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:41 pm to crazy4lsu
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The nativism angle interests me much less than the ability of America to make productive Americans out of anyone
Being the nativist: why not make an earnest attempt to make productive Americans out of Americans? We ought to make ourselves better, which will also allow other countries to improve by not excising a brain drain on them.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:41 pm to ewdij
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The problems in India are not going to be solved in next 50-60 years if ever, to the point where the living standards are similar to a developed country like USA.
I first went to India in the 90's with my parents, and last went in 2017. The progress the country has made is amazing. It's the country I've visited the most. But you are right. It's a massive project to develop a country of that size and population.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:46 pm to HempHead
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Being the nativist: why not make an earnest attempt to make productive Americans out of Americans? We ought to make ourselves better, which will also allow other countries to improve by not excising a brain drain on them.
They aren't mutually exclusive by any means. I would be in favor of following the citizen-investment route pioneered by the Nordic model too, if not an American version of it. The brain drain arguments are less convincing to me, as countries in the developing world have developed rather quickly during this market fundamentalist era precisely because they could send their excess labor capacity elsewhere. As long as the US has the best university system, there will be foreign students who stay. I'm fine with that, as I don't believe that it is an either/or scenario.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:57 pm to ewdij
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And I am sure many native Americans would like to see it go back to 1492. So what exactly is your point?
Native Americans get to vote on things that they want, you do not.
Go ahead and be a smart arse, the worm can turn damn fast.
Posted on 7/10/19 at 11:59 pm to ewdij
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Why is a person from Iceland more worthy of getting a faster Green card than me an Indian?
It’s not about fairness.
Our roots are in Western Europe. And we’ve always favored immigrants from those countries.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:10 am to crazy4lsu
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I first went to India in the 90's with my parents, and last went in 2017. The progress the country has made is amazing.
Indeed.
My family's maid has a smartphone now, something no one in my family could afford 15 years back.
Everyone in India who belongs to the same socioeconomic status as my family, eats out now pretty regularly. When I was growing up that was strictly a special occasions type of thing. People now go on foreign trips, which was unheard of 15 years back. High school kids now go to expensive countries in Western Europe through foreign exchange programs, again something that even the rich kids couldn't think of when I was growing up.
But still there are a lot of structural problems.
I still do think India is the best third world country.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:12 am to crazy4lsu
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the ability of America to make productive Americans out of anyone.
A lot of our Indian immigrants are upper class. And that’s why they’re so successful. They’re smart, well educated, and they have real ambition. They’d be successful practically anywhere.
If we were to flip that around though, and open the door to lower class Indians, outcomes would be much poorer.
And it is our country, and we have an obligation to ourselves, and to our children, to be selfish. To make choices that will benefit us the most.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:18 am to Lima Whiskey
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A lot of our Indian immigrants are upper class. And that’s why they’re so successful. They’re smart, well educated, and they have real ambition
This is completely true, especially for Indian students who come to USA. If you are an Indian coming to USA, your parents could either afford to spend on your education or you are very smart.
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If we were to flip that around though, and open the door to lower class Indians, outcomes would be much poorer.
This bill that we are talking about in this thread does not do this in any manner.
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And it is our country, and we have an obligation to ourselves, and to our children, to be selfish. To make choices that will benefit us the most.
Absolutely.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 12:19 am
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:33 am to Jjdoc
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This is where you should be picking up the phone
I would but it always goes to a call center in India and their accents annoy the shite out of me.
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:37 am to Ollieoxenfree99
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I would but it always goes to a call center in India and their accents annoy the shite out of me.
You know Philippines is quickly becoming the leader in that business right? LINK
Posted on 7/11/19 at 12:50 am to ewdij
frick you and frick your country. I agree, a per country quota discriminates. Let’s just make it 0 across the board.
Edit: this was knee jerk before reading this entire thread. Let me elaborate after reading some of your more thoughtful replies and expositions:
I don’t want more Indians here, because it is natural for people to favor their own in-group over outgroups in hiring, networking, etc etc etc. all groups do this equally with the notable exception of white progressives. I don’t want to be a minority in my own country. Minorities get treated like shite, ignored, and generally have worse economic prospects in ANY country. I do not want any more people who will consider me to be outgroup, ESPECIALLY the upper class. I look at the class pictures for my state schools, whose stated missions are to educate Texas residents and I see people like me as nearly a minority in the undergrad and a DISTINCT minority in the professional degrees. How can I not assume my grandkids will grow up with a disadvantage due to the fact that they are white? My country is ~70% white, but the average med school class is about 40% white and shrinking. What do you call that if not a burgeoning racial underclass?
In conclusion: frick you, and frick Your Country.
Edit: this was knee jerk before reading this entire thread. Let me elaborate after reading some of your more thoughtful replies and expositions:
I don’t want more Indians here, because it is natural for people to favor their own in-group over outgroups in hiring, networking, etc etc etc. all groups do this equally with the notable exception of white progressives. I don’t want to be a minority in my own country. Minorities get treated like shite, ignored, and generally have worse economic prospects in ANY country. I do not want any more people who will consider me to be outgroup, ESPECIALLY the upper class. I look at the class pictures for my state schools, whose stated missions are to educate Texas residents and I see people like me as nearly a minority in the undergrad and a DISTINCT minority in the professional degrees. How can I not assume my grandkids will grow up with a disadvantage due to the fact that they are white? My country is ~70% white, but the average med school class is about 40% white and shrinking. What do you call that if not a burgeoning racial underclass?
In conclusion: frick you, and frick Your Country.
This post was edited on 7/11/19 at 1:03 am
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