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re: 117M gallon Palisades reservoir emptied …
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:34 am to Penrod
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:34 am to Penrod
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because in the first case you still have external sources, while in the second you don’t.
Interesting. I didn’t know that high winds wouldn’t affect a normal ole house fire.
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:38 am to roadGator
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I didn’t know that high winds wouldn’t affect a normal ole house fire.
It sure would, but if the normal house fire was experiencing high winds it would not be normal.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:45 am to Penrod
You sound like an expert. I believe you.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:47 am to roadGator
It doesn’t take an expert to realize that a normal house fire would not include high winds. 
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:55 am to Statestreet
I find it curious that LA runs out of water to fight fires when they are literally on the coast of the Pacific Ocean.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 8:58 am to Penrod
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:00 am to Auburn1968
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I find it curious that LA runs out of water to fight fires when they are literally on the coast of the Pacific Ocean.
They have storage tanks for the water at high elevations, which they werent able to replenish as fast as they were using it. Plus, the wind kept aircraft from being as effective as they should have been.
I'm not sure more water sources would have helped a lot.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:03 am to Penrod
quote:Although the thread is focused on the LADWP water fiasco, the real culprit will likely turn out ton be LADWP power mismanagement, including the abysmal failure of LADWP high winds powerline safety.
It doesn’t take an expert to realize that a normal house fire would not include high winds.
News reports are focused on what "bad luck" it was that these fires all erupted at the same time Santa Anna winds kicked up. It almost certainly is going to turnout that the winds caused the fires in the first place vis-a-vis downed power lines. The same m.o. as was responsible for Maui's disaster.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:07 am to NC_Tigah
Sounds like we have established that some think one of two ways:
Winds make the fires worse and
Water doesn't help fight fires
Or
Winds make the fires worse and
Water does help fight fires
Winds make the fires worse and
Water doesn't help fight fires
Or
Winds make the fires worse and
Water does help fight fires
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:10 am to Auburn1968
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I find it curious that LA runs out of water to fight fires when they are literally on the coast of the Pacific Ocean.
I have heard a couple of crazy explanations for not using the ocean water:
1. Salt water is bad for the landscaping
2. Salt water is corrosive for the pumps and carrying equipment
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:20 am to Statestreet
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I find it curious that LA runs out of water to fight fires when they are literally on the coast of the Pacific Ocean.
I have heard a couple of crazy explanations for not using the ocean water:
1. Salt water is bad for the landscaping
2. Salt water is corrosive for the pumps and carrying equipment
Poor DEI leadership hired for all of the wrong ideological reasons is corrosive to the safety of the people. Their bad decisions have born bitter fruit at a lot of levels and the fires are only one of them.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 9:22 am to Statestreet
quote:or in this case:
Winds make the fires worse and
Water does help fight fires
Winds start the fires which winds in turn make worse and
Water does help fight fires
and Newsom is doing the right thing investigating LADWP incompetence in all those arenas.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 6:47 am to NC_Tigah
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Although the thread is focused on the LADWP water fiasco, the real culprit will likely turn out ton be LADWP power mismanagement, including the abysmal failure of LADWP high winds powerline safety.
And forest mismanagement, yes.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 7:26 am to Statestreet
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Salt water is bad for the landscaping 2. Salt water is corrosive for the pumps and carrying equipment
All true long term but in the short term during an emergency not a problem big enough to not use salt water.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 11:16 am to roadGator
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quote:
Salt water is bad for the landscaping 2. Salt water is corrosive for the pumps and carrying equipment
All true long term but in the short term during an emergency not a problem big enough to not use salt water.
I don't think there should have been even a slight bit of question- use the salt water
Posted on 1/18/25 at 11:22 am to Statestreet
People forget fire has always been an issue in CA.
Anyone remember Smokey Bear? There was a reason for these PSA ads, especially in Ca. Fire has always been a risk and the government stopped managing the fire risk in favor of environmentalist.
Global warming is not a thing. Human activity and population density is the problem.
Anyone remember Smokey Bear? There was a reason for these PSA ads, especially in Ca. Fire has always been a risk and the government stopped managing the fire risk in favor of environmentalist.
Global warming is not a thing. Human activity and population density is the problem.
Posted on 1/18/25 at 11:30 am to ItTakesAThief
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People forget fire has always been an issue in CA.
The only people who “forgot” that fires in CA are an issue, are the state and local officials in CA, and posters like Powerman who are defending them and saying there is nothing they could have done… because wind.
Trump has been warning them for years. At best this is a result of gross negligence. At worst, it’s much more nefarious.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 11:16 am to NorCali
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Using your logic, why did it matter when the fire hydrants went dry, which were being attempted to be used to put out house fires.
It mattered for obvious reasons which I have never denied, and actually affirmed.
My point was that it is not the main story, which is forest management.
I have a home out west, in an area very vulnerable to fires. I have been watching this for years. The damage from forest fires is getting worse and worse, and it has almost 0 to do with water, except for the fact that the land is dry, which is out of anyone's control.
The fires around L.A. did a hell of a lot of damage, and a huge majority of that damage was in areas where the empty fire hydrants and empty reservoir had nothing to do with it.
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