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Kragthorpe at Louisville...here's the story

Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:25 pm
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:25 pm
I'm a UL fan as well as a Tiger (I was band director there in the early 80s after getting my MA from LSU) and although I no longer live in the city, I still follow the Cards pretty closely, contribute to the message boards, etc. When Krags came in at UL, Tom Jurich (the AD) insisted that he keep a few holdovers from Petrino's staff, including one of the two co-defensive coordinators. Well, it turns out that this guy was pretty much a disaster. During Krags' first season, the offense was ranked 6th in the country (Brian Brohm's senior year) but the D was atrocious. With even a mediocre D, the Cards would have won at least three more games and finished something 9-3, and maybe 10-2. As it was, they ended up 6-6 and missed a bowl. The UL fans just crucified Krags (sound familiar?) and the atmosphere around the program was really toxic almost from the first. In addition to the problems with the D, the cupboard was a little bare (Petrino had not done a good job recruiting his last couple of years) and, as some have mentioned, there were some bad apples that needed to be cleaned out as well. (One of the D-backs from Petrino's Orange Bowl team was arrested for armed robbery in the off season, for example.)

After that disappointing first year and the hostile reaction of the fan base, Krags never could seem to get his bearings. Recruiting fell way off (partially due to the fact that he wanted to recruit Texas and the Southwest as he had done at Tulsa, while UL's natural recruiting base is the Deep South, esp. Florida). Krags kept trying to find the right formula, but the situation just got worse and worse. Even the offense regressed over his last two years. I really felt sorry for him; he came into a situation that he thought would be really good and it turned out that there were major problems with the program.

Of course the fans didn't want to hear anything about that...they just didn't understand why the Cards weren't continuing to go to BCS bowl games. By his last year, the fan base was unbelievably hostile, attendance was WAY down, and Jurich had to make a change. (He made a good hire in Charlie Strong.)

I always will wonder how Krags' career would have turned out if the D had been decent his first year and the team had gone to a good bowl. Jurich admitted later that he had contributed to Krags' failure, obviously referring to the fact that he made him take on some of Petrino's coaches instead of letting him bring in his own people. I'm sure Krags would say that he made lots of mistakes, and I honestly don't know how good or bad he might really be as a coach, but there is no doubt that a lot of what happened at UL was not his fault.

The fact that his offense regressed like it did in his last two years is certainly troubling. He actually took on the duties of OC his last season. The production continued to decline but on the few occasions I got to watch the team in '09 I thought the play calling was improved from the year before, and I can't tell how much the fall off was due to coaching and how much was due to lack of talent.

So, bottom line, I'm not sure how much we can read into his failure at UL, given the horrible situation he was in. He did great work at Tulsa, and when he was hired at UL he was considered one of the rising stars in the profession. I'm sure he is still a little shell-shocked by the experience. For what it's worth, I wrote on the UL boards last spring that I was expecting the team to be better this year, no matter who was coach, because there was a bit more talent and, finally, some more depth, especially on the lines. That's not to say that Krags would have done as well as Strong did (Strong really lit a fire under the team) but I think Krags might have started to turn things around. We'll never know...

I will say this...most UL fans, even the ones who rode him unmercifully and wanted him gone, would admit that he was a stand-up guy. I think we know that's important to Miles. Of course he wants to hire someone with the right skills, but he is also looking for character, and on that front, Krags is solid.

For what it's worth....
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 12:09 pm
Posted by tigabait01
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
4794 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:29 pm to
He's not going to be changing any of the staff here either
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23268 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:31 pm to
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Posted by tigabait01
He's not going to be changing any of the staff here either


Posted by Tiger4Ever
Member since Aug 2003
36767 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:31 pm to
Good insight and that is pretty much in line with what I have heard.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75673 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:32 pm to
I for one am glad the O coordinator doesn't get to pick the defensive staff.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:36 pm to
drex in the article he said the AD at louisville want certain guys to stay on staff when krags took the job.

the other guy was saying, if he came to lsu he is not getting rid of wilson, and miles is not letting stud go.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:41 pm to
Holy frick, paragraphs, heard of them?

tl;dr
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
24470 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:42 pm to
TigerCard, thanks for the insight...
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13113 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:46 pm to
He's missing the point though.Kragthorpe was the Head Coach not the OC.He should have been able to bring in his own coaches.As an OC it's not expected that you will hire the postion coaches.Even at UF Weis was hired after the position coaches and we all know his ego.Completely different between expectations as an OC compared to a HC.Kragthorpe would not care about who the position coaches are.His job would be the qbs and playcalling.As OC he can adjust the personnel in the game with formations and can give help with the postion caoches.That said Kragthorpe obviously knew that he would be forced to keep the defensive coaches at Louisville and still took the job.Sometimes ego and career advancement lead people to bad decisions and obviously Kragthorpe made a bad one by going to Louisville.That part is on him but honestly should have very little bearing on his ability as an OC.That's the part we don't know and the only part we care about.Can he fix our offense nd coach up our qbs?
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9679 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:55 pm to
At first I was like:



But then I read it. Good post.

Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 11:20 pm to
Posted by NELAtigers
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Posted on 1/18/11 at 11:21 pm to
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 11:26 pm to
What are your thoughts on Krag as an OC at LSU?
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 11:33 pm to
So he is basically Crowton at BYU. Loaded team his 1st year that did really well. Huge talent drop off the next few years because Edwards didn't recruit well his last few years. At least Crowton was able to build the talent back up at BYU.
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 11:37 pm to
You can't compare them as HC's you have to compare them as OC's.
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
25141 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 11:55 pm to
Thanks for the insight.
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12358 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 12:01 am to


... maybe tomorrow while i'm at work

eta: read it, nice post
This post was edited on 1/19/11 at 7:56 am
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
943 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 7:54 am to
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Holy frick, paragraphs, heard of them?


Uh...yeah. That's why I used them. Seriously, I'm sorry the post was so long, but the situation there was rather complicated and could not have been explained in a couple of sentences.
Posted by TigerCard
Cleveland, OH
Member since Nov 2009
943 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 8:01 am to
quote:

What are your thoughts on Krag as an OC at LSU?


I honestly don't know how he would do. As I wrote, the situation was so screwed up at UL that it's impossible to say how much of it was his fault and how much could be laid on others (Petrino, Jurich, etc.) And, of course, a coach's record as a head coach often doesn't say a lot about his abilities as a coordinator. I think Krags' system would be one that Miles would like, and he did put up some awesome numbers the first year at UL when he had some playmakers. Listening to UL players' throughout this year, it's clear that they had grown weary of the losing and had pretty much tuned him out by the time he left. But again, it's hard to know how much of that was his fault, and I'm not sure how relevant it would be to his success as an OC under Miles.
Look at Ted Roof, who was a disaster as Duke's HC, but did wonders with Auburn's D this year, and especially in the title game.
Posted by willeaux
Member since Jan 2006
2955 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 8:02 am to
Solid info, good post.
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