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Darryl Sutter trades son
Posted on 11/18/10 at 11:59 am
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:01 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Wow, I thought more people would get a kick out of this. 
Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:15 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Balooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 
Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:16 pm to LSUCanFAN
Oh look at me i'm Canadian so i'll comment on hockey. Im so fricking great. woohoooo.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:21 pm to fightingtiger2335
Dual citizen thank you.
besides thats Baloo's favorite team.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:23 pm to LSUCanFAN
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LSUCanFAN
I don't see USA or an American flag near your name.But I can CAN!! Canuck s.o.b
Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:25 pm to fightingtiger2335
havent we had this conversation before? Something about picking sides
also please note the Can/Am notation...
Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:33 pm to LSUCanFAN
It was just my way of saying hello. I've been gone for a long time )=
Posted on 11/18/10 at 2:41 pm to fightingtiger2335
Where ya been? Dont i normally good morning your arse on the GMT?
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:15 pm to LSUCanFAN
I publicly renounced the Flames this offseason for essentially attempted to build a team that is the complete opposite of one that I would. It just became too difficult to root for a team that constantly made moves that almost felt like personal attacks on me. But, this is the first move they've made since escorting Todd Burtuzzi out of town I actually agreed with.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:21 pm to Baloo
You hopped on the CBJ bandwagon yet? It's just about to pull out of the station. Don't wait until it's too late. 
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:27 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
That dude was a nut. Glad he's gone. Now, if we could just play defense...
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:49 pm to Them
You know what… I take it back. This deal once again demonstrates how stupid the Flames are.
Let’s take a look at some history behind this deal to see how a bad front office behaves.
Two years ago, the Flames felt they were Stanley cup contenders with a rapidly closing window (I agreed with that), so they made a deadline deal for D Jordan Leopold, giving up a 2nd round pick and two spare players. Leopold proved to be a total bust in Calgary and was a restricted free agent. So the brain rust decided to trade his rights plus a 3rd round pick for Jay Bouwmeester.
Bouwmeester signed a contract paying him $7 million a year, despite the fact he sucks. Bouwmeester is an “offensive” defenseman who scored three goals last season. Yeah, three. Because of this huge outlay of cash, the Flames suddenly had most their cap invested in four players: Kiprusoff (a declining goal), Iginla (an aged superstar), Phaneuf (a young star capable of greatness and stupidity), and Bouwmeester (total crap). Arguably the two next best players on the team were both defensemen (a youngish Giordiano whose contract was coming up and the ageless Robin Regehr).
Simply put, this put the Flames in a bit of a bind, as their payroll was tied up in their blueline and the next big payday was also a blueliner. The last thing the Flames needed was another star defenseman. They certainly didn’t need an overpriced one who sucks so completely that no light escapes from his play. The Flames looked at this situation and decided they had to dump a defenseman to pay for Gio next season. The Flames traded Dion Phaneuf, not Jay Bouwmeester.
It is at this point I will point out that Phaneuf scored more goals, had more assists, and had a higher plus/minus. Looking at advanced metrics, Phaneuf had a better CORSI rate, against tougher rated competition, with lower rated linemates. Looking at intangibles, Phaneuf was an excellent power play player, was a devastating hitter, though did have some erratic play due to, well, being young. He cost less money, was signed longterm, and is younger. He is also one of the most heavily marketed young NHL stars. Frankly, every single factor tilted in Phaneuf’s favor. The Flames decided to go all-in with Bouwmeester.
Phaneuf was traded for Ian White, Matt Stajan, and Niklas Hagman. Hagman and Stajan are both wingers and in a combined 80+ games have combined for 13 goals, which sucks. Hagman is on the decline of his career and Stajan is a player who has never scored 20 goals. These guys are roster fodder. The key to the deal had to be Ian White, who has now been traded for Anton Babchuck, a pretty good offensive defenseman. Certainly better than Bouwmeester.
So… in order to sign the downright worthless Jay Bouwmeester to a $7 mil/year contract, the Flames gave up a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, DION PHANEUF and all they have to show for it is some roster fodder and a guy better and cheaper than Bouwmeester. And as Them points out, the team SUCKS defensively despite spending more on blueliners and goaltending than anyone.
F this team.
Let’s take a look at some history behind this deal to see how a bad front office behaves.
Two years ago, the Flames felt they were Stanley cup contenders with a rapidly closing window (I agreed with that), so they made a deadline deal for D Jordan Leopold, giving up a 2nd round pick and two spare players. Leopold proved to be a total bust in Calgary and was a restricted free agent. So the brain rust decided to trade his rights plus a 3rd round pick for Jay Bouwmeester.
Bouwmeester signed a contract paying him $7 million a year, despite the fact he sucks. Bouwmeester is an “offensive” defenseman who scored three goals last season. Yeah, three. Because of this huge outlay of cash, the Flames suddenly had most their cap invested in four players: Kiprusoff (a declining goal), Iginla (an aged superstar), Phaneuf (a young star capable of greatness and stupidity), and Bouwmeester (total crap). Arguably the two next best players on the team were both defensemen (a youngish Giordiano whose contract was coming up and the ageless Robin Regehr).
Simply put, this put the Flames in a bit of a bind, as their payroll was tied up in their blueline and the next big payday was also a blueliner. The last thing the Flames needed was another star defenseman. They certainly didn’t need an overpriced one who sucks so completely that no light escapes from his play. The Flames looked at this situation and decided they had to dump a defenseman to pay for Gio next season. The Flames traded Dion Phaneuf, not Jay Bouwmeester.
It is at this point I will point out that Phaneuf scored more goals, had more assists, and had a higher plus/minus. Looking at advanced metrics, Phaneuf had a better CORSI rate, against tougher rated competition, with lower rated linemates. Looking at intangibles, Phaneuf was an excellent power play player, was a devastating hitter, though did have some erratic play due to, well, being young. He cost less money, was signed longterm, and is younger. He is also one of the most heavily marketed young NHL stars. Frankly, every single factor tilted in Phaneuf’s favor. The Flames decided to go all-in with Bouwmeester.
Phaneuf was traded for Ian White, Matt Stajan, and Niklas Hagman. Hagman and Stajan are both wingers and in a combined 80+ games have combined for 13 goals, which sucks. Hagman is on the decline of his career and Stajan is a player who has never scored 20 goals. These guys are roster fodder. The key to the deal had to be Ian White, who has now been traded for Anton Babchuck, a pretty good offensive defenseman. Certainly better than Bouwmeester.
So… in order to sign the downright worthless Jay Bouwmeester to a $7 mil/year contract, the Flames gave up a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, DION PHANEUF and all they have to show for it is some roster fodder and a guy better and cheaper than Bouwmeester. And as Them points out, the team SUCKS defensively despite spending more on blueliners and goaltending than anyone.
F this team.
Posted on 11/18/10 at 5:38 pm to LSUCanFAN
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havent we had this conversation before? Something about picking sidesalso please note the Can/Am notation...
Which one are you?
Posted on 11/18/10 at 5:43 pm to ornagestorm
nice....forgot about these two. 
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