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re: Wildlife photography camera recs.( Ordered )
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:58 am to BiggerBear
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:58 am to BiggerBear
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And yet it is weird how you are seeming to defend APS-C from an attack that was never levied against it. But to make one correction, higher pixel density does, automatically, lead to higher resolution. Yes, lenses matter. Yes, total pixels in the image is another measure of resolution, yes, diffraction occurs at larger apertures. Depth of field is the same (because it is a function of focal length, aperture and distance to subject) but apparent depth of field is different. So what. All of the same arguments can be made to support full frame vs APS-C, M43 vs 1", Medium format v 35mm full frame, etc. In practice, none of this matters - all formats are a compromise and you have to be able to work with it.
And just because you can identify the reason for the smaller lenses doesn't make them any less small, packable, very high quality, affordable and near perfect for all types of travel photography.
I get what you’re saying, and you’re right that every format has trade-offs. But I think APS-C sits in a unique sweet spot, especially for wildlife and travel shooters and that's why I recommended it. You still get higher pixel density than full frame (great for reach on small/distant subjects), but without the harsher noise and dynamic range penalties that come with smaller sensor. As I said above APS-C balances reach, image quality, and portability.
On depth of field, yes, the math works the same — but in practice APS-C gives you a little more “apparent” depth of field at equivalent framing, which can actually be a benefit when tracking fast wildlife and keeping more of the subject sharp. That’s not important when shooting birds in flight (something I don't do) or skittish animals at distance.
And while you're right that M4/3 definitely wins on ultimate compactness with regards to interchangable lens cameras, APS-C mirrorless cameras have closed much of that size gap. So you end up with gear that’s still packable and versatile, but with better low-light performance and Dynamic range. This leads to more headroom in post-processing than M4/3. For a lot of people, APSC is a practical “middle ground.”
I know you have and like your M4/3 gear and it's why you're recommending it, and that’s totally fair. But to be clear, I’m not not making my remarks to validate my own setup here. Most people make recommendations based upon what they already shoot with because they are familiar with it and it works for them. But, while I own a couple of APS-C mirrorless cameras, they aren't my main system. I mainly use it for casual stuff like travel where I want better quality than a cell phone but don't want to pack my full frame gear, and family gatherings. That’s why I feel I can see its strengths and weaknesses more objectively. And while the OP has decided to go in a different direction, for the price/weight/performance trade-off, I still think that APS-C still comes out as one of the most practical formats for the desired application.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:02 am to BiggerBear
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And just because you can identify the reason for the smaller lenses doesn't make them any less small, packable, very high quality, affordable and near perfect for all types of travel photography.
My only probelm with micro 4/3rds is the low light performance. With wildlife you gotta take the shots when the opportunity presents itself.
APS-C is the sweet spot IMO for price/performance. I upgraded to full frame for a few years (Canon and Sony) and didnt care for the lenses, which were expensive for the quality.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:14 am to Lonnie Utah
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Most people make recommendations based upon what they already shoot with because they are familiar with it and it works for them.
I've owned and used full frame, APS-C, medium format, M43 and 1" sensor cameras. When I got into bird photography, I purchased my first M43 camera and eventually sold all my other cameras and lenses because I just wasn't using them. I don't find noise or low light to be much of an issue, just a compromise to work around. And I've never had any issue with sharpness being limited by diffraction. My decision to get an M43 camera was largely based on resolution, a factor that still applies. None of the rest has given me anything to worry about.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:45 am to BiggerBear
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My decision to get an M43 camera was largely based on resolution
You've said this a couple of times, but have yet to define what you mean by it. That's important because as I said before, resolution has multiple meanings in photography and you need to be clear which one you are talking about.
1. Sensor resolution – The number of pixels a camera sensor can capture, usually measured in megapixels.
2. Image resolution – How many pixels an image contains, often described by width × height (e.g., 6000×4000). While this is similar to sensor resolution, many cameras have the ability to reduce the number of pixels in an image so it's not exactly the same thing.
3. Spatial resolution – The ability of a lens/sensor to separate fine details in a scene.
4. Optical resolution – The resolving power of a lens or optical system, independent of pixel count.
5. Print resolution – The level of detail in a printed photo, measured in dots per inch (DPI).
6. Perceptual resolution – The level of detail the human eye perceives, depending on viewing size and distance.
And outside of smaller lens size on M4/3 cameras that you've stated, bigger sensors have the advantage in almost all of the ones that matter.
Sensor resolution – Full frame and APS-C sensors are physically larger, so they typically have larger photosites giving higher overall resolving potential.
Spatial resolution – The bigger sensors on Full frame and apsc cameras allow larger individual pixels or higher pixel counts without crowding, so fine detail is more cleanly separated on the resolved images.
Optical resolution – Lenses designed for larger sensor can resolve more detail because they don’t need to bend light as steeply as lenses designed for smaller sensors. (this is one of the main disadvantages of M4/3 lenses).
So while it might not be an issue for you, there is still no arguing with the actual physics of the optical and electronic systems we are using. There is a distinct tradeoff of the small size of a M4/3 sensor and I'm just identifying those theoretical weaknesses. This isn't to say APS-C and Full frame (and 1" and MF) don't have their limitations as well. But that's why I keep saying that APS-C mirrorless is the middle ground.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 10:27 am to Lonnie Utah
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You've said this a couple of times, but have yet to define what you mean by it.
Now I have identified the problem. You haven't been reading my responses. I get that you want to fanboy your favorite format, but I have specifically stated what I am talking about when I talk about increased resolution. Enjoy.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 1:22 pm to BiggerBear
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Now I have identified the problem. You haven't been reading my responses.
Yes I have. Here are all your comments in this thread on "resolution". No where in these posts do you define what you mean by the word.
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In most circumstances, you shoot wildlife with wide open apertures where pixel pitch (or pixel density) leads to higer resolution which is especially helpful in bird photography and distant subjects.
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And yet it is weird how you are seeming to defend APS-C from an attack that was never levied against it. But to make one correction, higher pixel density does, automatically, lead to higher resolution. Yes, lenses matter. Yes, total pixels in the image is another measure of resolution, yes, diffraction occurs at larger apertures.
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My decision to get an M43 camera was largely based on resolution, a factor that still applies. None of the rest has given me anything to worry about.
If there is a definition in there, I can't find it. I think you’re talking about pixel density (per-mm resolution) in these posts, but it’s not entirely clear. You could be taking about Pixel density (per-mm resolution) or Total image resolution (megapixels). Since you didn't implicitly say which one you're talking about, it's confusing. For someone for familiar with the Jargon, I know it's confusing.
If you're talking about pixel density, as we've mentioned previously, that isn’t always a positive.
Diffraction limits kick in sooner – the smaller the pixel pitch, the earlier fine detail gets softened at narrower apertures. On M4/3, that can happen at f/5.6–f/8, while APS-C and full frame have a little more headroom up to f/8 and beyond.
More noise at higher ISOs – smaller pixels gather less light individually, so while the overall image may average out, per-pixel signal-to-noise output suffers. That can matter in wildlife photography, where you’re often shooting in less-than-ideal light.
Lens demands increase – higher pixel density sensors are more unforgiving of lens softness, especially at the edges. Not every lens can keep up with the resolving power of tiny pixels. So at that point lens resolving power becomes the bottleneck. If the lens can’t deliver very fine detail (measured in line pairs per millimeter), the smaller pixels don’t get more detail, they just record lens imperfections more precisely. On a high-density sensor, lens weaknesses like corner softness, chromatic aberration, or slight focus errors show up more clearly. To over come those weaknesses, what increases here is the cost of those lenses because the optics have to be more precise.
As for defending formats, I’m not fanboying APS-C — it isn’t even my main system. I primarily shoot full frame DSLRs. My recommendation here wasn’t about validating my own choices, but about giving the OP an option that makes sense within their budget and goals, based on nearly 50 years of experience. And while M4/3 has its place, there are real reasons most pros gravitate toward larger formats. It's the trade-offs I mentioned above that are very real.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:25 pm to Lonnie Utah
After taking everything in and watching many YouTube videos I placed my order today. The Canon EOS R7 won out. Paid 2100 for a kit with the camera , Canon 100-400 lens, extra battery and some extras from Tri-State Cameras .
Thanks to all !!!
Thanks to all !!!
Posted on 9/18/25 at 8:59 pm to popig
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Ordered Canon EOS R7 W/ 100-400 zoom lens
Did you get a tripod or monopod? You're going to need one.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 9:10 pm to bbvdd
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The lower the F stop the better.
...and more expensive.
Posted on 9/18/25 at 10:23 pm to popig
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The Canon EOS R7 won out. Paid 2100 for a kit with the camera , Canon 100-400 lens,
I think you made an excellent decision.
ETA: I'd be interested in a couple of the youtube's you watched.
This post was edited on 9/18/25 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:39 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
The kit included a tripod and 2 SD cards along with the extras.
Thanks
Thanks
Posted on 9/19/25 at 8:55 am to Lonnie Utah
One of the YouTubes was a husband and wife who are photographers - Tony & Chelsea Northrup " The best budget Wildlife Photography camera"
Duade Paton also had a great video on the same subject .
thanks
Duade Paton also had a great video on the same subject .
thanks
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:00 am to popig
What type of laptop are you going to use. I'm interested in getting back into photography; it was a big hobby of mine during the 35mm days and was a photographer for "The Gumbo" when I was at LSU.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:14 am to popig
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Ordered Canon EOS R7 W/ 100-400 zoom lens
If you have any questions about wildlife settings or anything in general let me know, I'll be glad to help out.
I strongly advise shooting in raw format!
Posted on 9/19/25 at 9:18 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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What type of laptop are you going to use. I'm interested in getting back into photography; it was a big hobby of mine during the 35mm days and was a photographer for "The Gumbo" when I was at LSU.
I've been using the macbook pro 16gb of ram.
All of my editing is done in Lightroom Classic, and I haven't had any issues. The only thing is lately its been a little slow when trying to sync settings for multiple photos at one time.
The macbook is a few years old now, and I want to start doing a little more video, so I'll probably upgrade soon.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 10:29 am to JOJO Hammer
Thanks JOJO, I have a MacBook Air.
Posted on 9/19/25 at 10:34 am to popig
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Thanks JOJO, I have a MacBook Air.
I used to use the air, wasn’t bad, just after time got painfully slow when working with larger files
Posted on 9/19/25 at 12:18 pm to JOJO Hammer
I may upgrade soon, will be watching Black Friday deals ??
Posted on 9/19/25 at 1:44 pm to JOJO Hammer
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If you have any questions about wildlife settings or anything in general let me know, I'll be glad to help out.
For nature photography (landscapes and wildlife) the most important setting you can have is your alarm clock.
This post was edited on 9/19/25 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 9/19/25 at 3:13 pm to Lonnie Utah
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If you have any questions about wildlife settings or anything in general let me know, I'll be glad to help out.
Can't argue with that.
Assuming you live in Utah based off your username. I'll be flying into SLC on Thursday morning then driving out to Jackson Hole. Any spots to check out on the drive from Utah to Wyoming?
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