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What to consider when breeding dog / picking a male?
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:39 am
I have a 6.5 y/o BLF with her MH title. She comes from FC/AFC on both sides and four of her littermates (that I know of) are QAA or FC. I always wanted to breed her some day, but the hassle of finding a sire and raising puppies wasn't in the cards the last couple of years.
Can anyone shed some light on things to consider / look for when looking for a male? Is it all a crap shoot? Do I just find one that has titles, good trainer recommendations, and is well behaved at home? Hips/elbows/eyes/EIC are obvious screens. Mine is EIC carrier, so that will narrow the field.
If I can get my shite together quick enough (doubtful), I will do it this summer. Otherwise, will aim for her next cycle in '25. The vet told me that there's no real age limit to breed. She's still super active and I don't see that changing much.
inb4: "my dog picks up 1,000 ducks a year!"... gonna need to see papers and titles pal
Can anyone shed some light on things to consider / look for when looking for a male? Is it all a crap shoot? Do I just find one that has titles, good trainer recommendations, and is well behaved at home? Hips/elbows/eyes/EIC are obvious screens. Mine is EIC carrier, so that will narrow the field.
If I can get my shite together quick enough (doubtful), I will do it this summer. Otherwise, will aim for her next cycle in '25. The vet told me that there's no real age limit to breed. She's still super active and I don't see that changing much.
inb4: "my dog picks up 1,000 ducks a year!"... gonna need to see papers and titles pal
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 10:57 am to CheesyF
We always looked at the roof of their mouths to see how black they were, a good tree dog always has a black mouth.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:32 am to CheesyF
Probably the most important thing is to ensure the dog is interested....would not want any trouble from the popo...
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:41 am to CheesyF
In cattle, I try to select a herd sire that corrects short falls in my cattle.
Small cow? Breed it to a big bull.
Sway back? Breed it to a bull with a straight back.
High horns? Breed it to a bull with low set horns.
Bad attitude? Send it to the sale barn.
But you catch my drift. Evaluate your own dog and select a male that exceeds where she is lacking. Maybe it's drive/endurance. Family history of hip problems. Maybe she's not kid friendly, find a stud who is.
It can be hard to pick apart a good animal, but even the best have points of contention. If you ever breed the perfect animal you might as well quit, because it gets no better than perfect.
Small cow? Breed it to a big bull.
Sway back? Breed it to a bull with a straight back.
High horns? Breed it to a bull with low set horns.
Bad attitude? Send it to the sale barn.
But you catch my drift. Evaluate your own dog and select a male that exceeds where she is lacking. Maybe it's drive/endurance. Family history of hip problems. Maybe she's not kid friendly, find a stud who is.
It can be hard to pick apart a good animal, but even the best have points of contention. If you ever breed the perfect animal you might as well quit, because it gets no better than perfect.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:48 am to CheesyF
Would definitely need all physical and genetic testing done from both sides to prove compatibility.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:48 am to Clyde Tipton
Possibly you could contact the breeder that you bought her from and get recommendation from them.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 12:15 pm to CheesyF
I had trainers I trusted review the pedigrees which includes all of their offspring. I picked trainers from different parts of the country.
If possible, watch the potential dog work in a test or demo. Gives view into kennel manners/does it live on a truck or in the house. Kids in the family.
That’s how I identified the one I wanted. Cleareances are a PIA. Start now.
If possible, watch the potential dog work in a test or demo. Gives view into kennel manners/does it live on a truck or in the house. Kids in the family.
That’s how I identified the one I wanted. Cleareances are a PIA. Start now.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 4:03 pm to MrWhipple
All of your questions are valid and should be asked. My .2 cents as an owner of sire quality labs in both the AKC field trial world and hunt test and SRS world.
1. Pick a trait that you are looking for in puppies or that complements your bitch in her weaknesses.
2. Make sure that you have homes for all of the puppies that you plan to bring into the world. (most people will not want a puppy that is a carrier of EIC and it shouldn't really be breed for that reason. If you have ever experienced the results of EIC in a dog it is probably wise to not breed but ultimately that is your choice and that of those who buy the puppies. (I wouldn't purchase one because I wouldn't want to lose a pet/companion that I bonded with)
3. Assuming that others don't care then I would start with the end in mind, i.e., what is the ideal family for these dogs (hunt test families, hunting families, backyard companion families) and breed to those standards. Each one will require different traits from the sire. Hunt tests - athletic, good marker, non stop battery, a little high strung no known genetic problems of any kind. . Hunt families - well mannered at home and high drive in the field, you can teach all the rest. Backyard companion - just look for the best looking breeding stock you can find cause none of the other stuff really matters, the dog will more than likely take on the personality of the owner.
Again my .2, is that you don't breed your female but instead get another dog that doesn't have EIC or is a carrier for it and is clear of all of the other things that are our there today.
1. Pick a trait that you are looking for in puppies or that complements your bitch in her weaknesses.
2. Make sure that you have homes for all of the puppies that you plan to bring into the world. (most people will not want a puppy that is a carrier of EIC and it shouldn't really be breed for that reason. If you have ever experienced the results of EIC in a dog it is probably wise to not breed but ultimately that is your choice and that of those who buy the puppies. (I wouldn't purchase one because I wouldn't want to lose a pet/companion that I bonded with)
3. Assuming that others don't care then I would start with the end in mind, i.e., what is the ideal family for these dogs (hunt test families, hunting families, backyard companion families) and breed to those standards. Each one will require different traits from the sire. Hunt tests - athletic, good marker, non stop battery, a little high strung no known genetic problems of any kind. . Hunt families - well mannered at home and high drive in the field, you can teach all the rest. Backyard companion - just look for the best looking breeding stock you can find cause none of the other stuff really matters, the dog will more than likely take on the personality of the owner.
Again my .2, is that you don't breed your female but instead get another dog that doesn't have EIC or is a carrier for it and is clear of all of the other things that are our there today.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 12:56 am to toots-N-scoots
EIC carriers do not have the disease - she is not at risk of ever dying from exercise induced collapse. If I breed her with a "normal" dog, half of pups may end up carriers, half will be normal. If bred to another carrier, 25% of chance those pups would have EIC -- I would not do that.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:22 pm to CheesyF
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EIC carriers do not have the disease - she is not at risk of ever dying from exercise induced collapse. If I breed her with a "normal" dog, half of pups may end up carriers, half will be normal. If bred to another carrier, 25% of chance those pups would have EIC -- I would not do that
If breeding for the betterment of the breed, don’t breed your female. If you like her that much, find a pup with similar bloodlines.
50% chance of producing EIC carrying dogs is not responsible breeding.
Posted on 5/27/23 at 1:20 pm to CheesyF
The biggest problem with breeding is there are so many scams out there that you really don't know if the dog you've picked is really everything you've been told.
With technology, it's so easy to produce paperwork that looks legit, but it's not worth the paper it was printed on.
If you're really looking to produce high quality puppies, you need to do your homework and double check all the information to make sure you're not getting scammed.
The breeding game is big money so make sure the dog you select really has the background they are telling you. Good luck!
With technology, it's so easy to produce paperwork that looks legit, but it's not worth the paper it was printed on.
If you're really looking to produce high quality puppies, you need to do your homework and double check all the information to make sure you're not getting scammed.
The breeding game is big money so make sure the dog you select really has the background they are telling you. Good luck!
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