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re: What self defense ammo do you keep in your AR?
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:34 am to LanierSpots
Posted on 2/10/23 at 10:34 am to LanierSpots
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I have found that number makes people feel very uncomfortable.
Same. At one point I tried to explain to this idiot's wife that 1k rounds almost fits in shoe box and it's cheaper to buy by the case, now I just don't talk numbers. If I'm in a social situation and someone asks if I have guns, it's just "yeah, a couple". If they're asking about ammo they're usually gun people, but I still just give a vague answer unless they're in my circle.
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Posted on 2/10/23 at 11:52 am to Flats
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OTMs fragment.
They all fragment; M193, M855, M855A1, etc. High velocity, thin jacketed, cannelured bullets fragment. The way 77gr OTM reacts with a barrier is not comparable to M855, the mechanics are completely different. The same goes for M855A1 too. Academic rabbit holes aside, in all practical respects there is no difference between using garden variety 55gr ball or 77gr OTM or 62gr M855/A1 against an unarmored home intruder at typical self-defense range. Penetration of the intruder is assured, the effects of those bullets leaving your property is not something you can absolutely control in the moment and is a risk that has to be accepted. In almost 25 years in the Army I've seen bullets do lots of strange things when fired at a variety of targets. The Air Force requires us to use frangible ammo on some of their ranges now due to fragments leaving impact zones, which doesn't work because the Army does not forecast frangible ammo so we are effectively banned from using those facilities. These were state-of-the-art ranges designed to shred and capture bullets to minimize environmental and safety concerns.
Posted on 2/10/23 at 12:22 pm to tigerinthebueche
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or you might make a hole the size of a pencil clean through them and miss vitals.
holes. Multiple. If I have to defend myself with any firearm, I aint shooting just once. So if one round out of the bunch is more cosmetic than devastating, I'm sure the other 12 or 15 will do the trick.
I remember a gun writer years ago saying....
How do you double the defectiveness of a 9mm round? Shoot again!
Holds true with any round.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:20 pm to lsufan1971
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:30 pm to lsufan1971
Buckshot then Slugs for the finish.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:41 am to lsufan1971
I don't, I just use M193. But if I had to I'd get some Federal Fusion MSR 62gr.
Posted on 2/15/23 at 7:43 am to Clames
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They all fragment; M193, M855, M855A1, etc. High velocity, thin jacketed, cannelured bullets fragment. The way 77gr OTM reacts with a barrier is not comparable to M855, the mechanics are completely different. The same goes for M855A1 too. Academic rabbit holes aside, in all practical respects there is no difference between using garden variety 55gr ball or 77gr OTM or 62gr M855/A1 against an unarmored home intruder at typical self-defense range. Penetration of the intruder is assured, the effects of those bullets leaving your property is not something you can absolutely control in the moment and is a risk that has to be accepted. In almost 25 years in the Army I've seen bullets do lots of strange things when fired at a variety of targets. The Air Force requires us to use frangible ammo on some of their ranges now due to fragments leaving impact zones, which doesn't work because the Army does not forecast frangible ammo so we are effectively banned from using those facilities. These were state-of-the-art ranges designed to shred and capture bullets to minimize environmental and safety concerns.
Yep, I know from seeing it myself that even drywall will cause M193 to fragment.
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