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What is the future of hunting?

Posted on 10/26/10 at 9:32 am
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 10/26/10 at 9:32 am
Growing up, I had the benefit of hundreds of acres of family land to roam and even many miles of paper company-owned land that was basically open land. It wasn't until I got older and the land starts getting chipped away as grandparents pass on and open land gets fenced and leased by hunting clubs, do I realize that hunting isn't an easy thing for many people to do.

I wonder if this has had an effect on hunting over the last 10-20 years, i.e., if the number of hunters has dropped?

Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24991 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 9:41 am to
I guarantee it has had an effect. Places that were farmland or wooland are now neighborhoods. Large tracts of land are becoming a rare commodity. In another 20-30yrs it is going to be very hard to find any decent private land to hunt.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/26/10 at 9:42 am to
Eventually only the people with a lot of money will be able to hunt. Those and the ones who have family land.

Our hunting club of over 60 years is on the verge of getting shut down because a large company is buying up all the land we lease.

I've been in a couple clubs that lost their leases to either corporate clubs, or the dues got so high that most people were forced out and the club shut down.

I don't duck hunt much, but I've heard of several people losing their leases to people with deeper pockets or companies just not leasing out the land anymore.
Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
81011 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 9:45 am to
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20-30yrs it is going to be very hard to find any decent private land to hunt.

and if you can, the price is gonna be high as giraffe pussy
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83668 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 9:49 am to
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Eventually only the people with a lot of money will be able to hunt. Those and the ones who have family land.


this
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24991 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:00 am to
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I don't duck hunt much, but I've heard of several people losing their leases to people with deeper pockets or companies just not leasing out the land anymore.


Lease costs have gotten out of sight. We gave up our company lease and it doubled in price for the next guy $15k to 30k/yr ouch Now no one is hunting there. It is sad but if you mention hunting most insurance companies will freak out. Hell even lake Houma was at $800/blind with blinds just out of gun range of each other.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:05 am to
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t is sad but if you mention hunting most insurance companies will freak out


That is another big part of it. Companies that hold a lot of land aren't leasing it because of liability reasons. Too scared they'll get sued. Sad state we're in.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24991 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:08 am to
One of the main reasons we gave up our company lease after 7 years. The insurance company wanted to classify the mud boats as work boats as they were company owned and that insurance just ain't cheap. There is 1600 acres that borders my 7 acres in bayou blue and I suspect liability is the reason that no hunting is allowed there.
Posted by INFIDEL
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:20 am to
The world of hunting has already changed and those that don't learn to change with it will be left out in the cold. The days of 5000 to 10000 tracts that are there to hunt for generations are over.

Well, maybe not. If you are a bowhunter there are more then ample opportunities all over this state in public land. The catch is this. People are going to learn how to hunt all over again. No corn. No box stands. Limited atv use.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15962 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:26 am to
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That is another big part of it. Companies that hold a lot of land aren't leasing it because of liability reasons. Too scared they'll get sued. Sad state we're in.


really? all of the timberland where I live that is owned by forest product/investment companies is leased for hunting and they pay for liability insurance to cover the hunters. They are not going to pass on that revenue stream.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15962 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:27 am to
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The world of hunting has already changed and those that don't learn to change with it will be left out in the cold. The days of 5000 to 10000 tracts that are there to hunt for generations are over.


damn that private property and private property rights.

Land is available to be purchased by hunters too.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24991 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:29 am to
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damn that private property and private property rights.

Land is available to be purchased by hunters too.


yeah if you have a few million dollars lying around doing nothing
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15962 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:31 am to
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eah if you have a few million dollars lying around doing nothing


find smaller tracts of land
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24991 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:40 am to
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find smaller tracts of land


Almost impossible to do around here it seems.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27691 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:44 am to
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Land is available to be purchased by hunters too.


Land within driving distance of here is very scarce and all $1,500 - $2,500 / acre. Not feasible for most people.

I have a group of people I'm talking to now, who are considering doing this though. We may set up an LLC (haven't researched much, but this may be the best route). We have a couple of guys with a good bit of money and about 4 others considering. We're gonna try and find something eventually.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15962 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 10:48 am to
some friends and I talked about doing the same thing, going in together to purchase a larger tract of land and having it set up as a divided interest based on how much each person put in on it.

of course, we were talking about it while sitting around a fire drinking, so it never went much farther than that
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27691 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 11:10 am to
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f course, we were talking about it while sitting around a fire drinking, so it never went much farther than that


We're only about one step ahead of that, but I can see something happening in the next 3-5 years.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29407 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 11:30 am to
Hunting is slowly dying. I've got a few theories:

1. The average age of hunters is going up and most kids are involved in activities other than hunting. Of course, hunters are their own worse enemies at time as some hunters bitch about crossbows and primitive firearms when those were added to draw more people into the sport.

2. I think the horn-nazis are starting to have a negative impact on the expectations of the sports. I'm all for managing a good herd, but television shows have ruined the expectations of young and old hunters. When my son is old enough to hunt, I will be just as proud of him if he kills a spike or a huge buck. However, in a lot of places, waiting until a deer gets huge is not an option. Eventually, a hunter has to have success with a kill or they will quit the sport. Don't get me wrong, I like the trend away from the "if it's brown, it's down" hunters, but you can't ignore the negative effects of it swinging too far the other way.

3. The way we live has changed. Gone are the days of a lot of people living in the country. In the case of the property my parents and I own, we have five houses on the property. Two are currently in good shape, one needs a little work, one is falling in and one is completely collapsed. On that one mile stretch of highway there were five familes just twenty years ago, now none live there. People that would have lived there, now live in the suburbs with no exposure to hunting. I see people complain about neighborhoods taking over hunting land and that may be true around cities, but I can take you to areas of this state that are devoid of population that once were small thriving communities.

4. The attitude of companies leasing land has changed. I am on the Board of our club which has been in existance for 40 years. Last year, we were told by the company we lease from that they intend to keep raising the lease payments until they start losing a lot of clubs. They don't really need that income stream with all the liability exposure and additional trouble on their end.

5. Hunting is/has become a rich man's sport. Years ago, a hunter had a rifle and a shotgun (at most). Now you have hunting leases, different seasons (bow, primitive firearm, rifle, etc), gasoline has gone up as has the price of feeding the deer, deer stands, trucks, 4-wheelers, etc, etc, etc.

The only solution is to purchase your own land. Is that expensive? Of course (see #5 above). But there are ways to receive income from property through forest management. Personally, I just purchased another 15 acres beside our property both for hunting and because it gives me more land to harvest when I am ready to cut timber.

(sorry for the rambling post, it probably doesn't make sense)
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27691 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 12:00 pm to
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I think the horn-nazis are starting to have a negative impact on the expectations of the sports. I'm all for managing a good herd, but television shows have ruined the expectations of young and old hunters. When my son is old enough to hunt, I will be just as proud of him if he kills a spike or a huge buck. However, in a lot of places, waiting until a deer gets huge is not an option.


I agree with you here. If I had to wait until I saw a mature "shooter" buck before I shot my first deer, I'd still be waiting. Seeing a buck in the woods still excites me. I'm to the point now where I do let some small bucks pass, but I'm still not waiting on 150" deer.

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The only solution is to purchase your own land. Is that expensive? Of course (see #5 above). But there are ways to receive income from property through forest management. Personally, I just purchased another 15 acres beside our property both for hunting and because it gives me more land to harvest when I am ready to cut timber.


This is the key, but for someone 25 years old with a decent job, it isn't quite an option. I don't think I could go into a bank and get a loan big enough to purchase enough land for me to hunt on. Even if I could, my herd would be at the mercy of the surrounding land owners. The timber is a good idea, but if there is timber on the land the price per acre is increased.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 10/26/10 at 12:21 pm to
The future is going to be determined by those who can buy land, and then public land.

Two of my friends and I have been talking about an idea we had, which it seems a few people on here are thinking about. Upon graduation, and a few years following, we decided we would try and buy a mid-sized tract of land together. Defray the cost of land three ways, and leave it closed to the owners and immediate family. Buying some clearcut land would probably be the best bet at it is cheaper(roughly 800-1000/acre).

500Acres@900(median price)= $450,000
$450,000/3= $150,000

Which isn't bad if you think about it, and if you replant trees (Say..200acres of pines, and the rest hardwoods/pines/whatever) then over time you can cut them and make money back. It's a long term investment, but with the state of things now..it makes sense to me. I'd much rather pay $150,000 and have my own land to manage deer then hunt in some club/public land.
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