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Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:31 pm to flyingtexastiger
I mean, we always called our Population Dynamics course "Pop Dy" in college.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 8:34 pm to flyingtexastiger
Flyingtexas
Why don’t you contribute instead of posting loser juvenile things.
Why don’t you contribute instead of posting loser juvenile things.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:53 am to EF Hutton
Not many people predator hunting and trapping anymore. We need more coon hunters out there. If somebody made a hat that said Make Coonhunting Great Again, I'd wear it. 
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 10:55 am
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:24 pm to EF Hutton
They could push it back a few weeks in Alabama the last couple of years the birds have been hot after the season ended
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:47 pm to EF Hutton
Well, I don't know shite about the turkey pop, but I'm a grammar Nazi, what can I say?? 
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:41 pm to EF Hutton
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Forget the habitat
Not according to Dr Collier at LSU.
Drive Hwy 4 between Columbia and Chatham. Look at the amount of unmanaged pine plantations. You’ll find they make up about 90% of the trip.
There is absolutely no way a poult can survive in that habitat.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:59 am to EF Hutton
Habitat is a fall back for every bookworm biologist, professor, etc. In respect to the wild turkey decline there are two issues that they dodge because, the first is their fault and the second they can't do anything about it. Legal baiting/feeding and buffalo gnats(flood waters).
1. Baiting/feeding The worst thing for the wild turkey is feeding. First, no telling how many have been killed from aflatoxin. Biologist can't prove that so they debunk it. Second, you concentrate all the prey into one area...... what do the predators do? They eat in one area. Go look at the study by MSU on Feeder vs. Non feeder predator pressure. The state of MS now has a trophy class of coons, possums, and skunks because of high fat/protein diets. The state is basically subsidizing the wild turkey's number one threat, they really throw a fit if you bring this one up....
2. Buffalo gnats. The state nerds really hate this one because it puts them at odds with their big cousins at the Corps of Engineers. We can all agree the decline started around 2014-2015. In SW MS the first bad gnat summer began in 2009. That's 5 zero hatches. Adams county MS lost 90% of its chicken population in the June of 2014-2016, per county agent. How many turkeys also died, i would say at least the same amount. The corps nerds all agree that the decade of high water caused a buffalo gnat boom and they are sorry for the inconvenience. People say man there are Jakes everywhere this Spring, next year is gonna be great. Next year comes and their are no 2 year olds, what gives? Your Jakes are dead as soon as May rolls around when they sufficate from Gnats. Seen this happen for a decade. Now, the last two springs have both improved, haven't had a gnat problem in almost 3 years...... the jakes are making it.
So we have two issues that identically match the timeline of the decline to turkey populations that nobody cam dis with a straight face...... but habitat is our main problem so lets go put our snake chaps on and have a day outside strolling through the project. Give me a break. Go put some corn feeders in the best habitat in the world, just means the egg snatchers can hide from their predators and have grits to go with their eggs in the morning.
1. Baiting/feeding The worst thing for the wild turkey is feeding. First, no telling how many have been killed from aflatoxin. Biologist can't prove that so they debunk it. Second, you concentrate all the prey into one area...... what do the predators do? They eat in one area. Go look at the study by MSU on Feeder vs. Non feeder predator pressure. The state of MS now has a trophy class of coons, possums, and skunks because of high fat/protein diets. The state is basically subsidizing the wild turkey's number one threat, they really throw a fit if you bring this one up....
2. Buffalo gnats. The state nerds really hate this one because it puts them at odds with their big cousins at the Corps of Engineers. We can all agree the decline started around 2014-2015. In SW MS the first bad gnat summer began in 2009. That's 5 zero hatches. Adams county MS lost 90% of its chicken population in the June of 2014-2016, per county agent. How many turkeys also died, i would say at least the same amount. The corps nerds all agree that the decade of high water caused a buffalo gnat boom and they are sorry for the inconvenience. People say man there are Jakes everywhere this Spring, next year is gonna be great. Next year comes and their are no 2 year olds, what gives? Your Jakes are dead as soon as May rolls around when they sufficate from Gnats. Seen this happen for a decade. Now, the last two springs have both improved, haven't had a gnat problem in almost 3 years...... the jakes are making it.
So we have two issues that identically match the timeline of the decline to turkey populations that nobody cam dis with a straight face...... but habitat is our main problem so lets go put our snake chaps on and have a day outside strolling through the project. Give me a break. Go put some corn feeders in the best habitat in the world, just means the egg snatchers can hide from their predators and have grits to go with their eggs in the morning.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:18 am to Sparetime
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Sparetime
What the hell are you talking about? This has to be some of the most outlandish shite I've heard with turkeys, and that's saying something.
I'd put it right up there with "tha damn feds r burnin up all tha nests".
Everything is a conspiracy or a cover up. I guess the entire southeast has a Buffalo gnat and feeder problem, right?
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:27 am to Sparetime
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So we have two issues that identically match….
There’s many more than two, including industrial forestry no longer using prescribed fire = lack of quality habitat
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:48 am to geauxbrown
Louisiana had a record harvest of turkeys last year
Discuss
Discuss
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:02 am to Ron Cheramie
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Louisiana had a record harvest of turkeys last year
Record for what? The state estimated 9100 birds killed last year. There are 8 years since they started tracking where there was a higher estimate of birds killed than in 2022, with 5 of those being over 10k birds killed.
Let's see what happens this year. The 2021 poult production survey showed 4 of 5 regions in the state with a decrease from 2020, then you had the 8th highest estimated harvest in 2022. Not a good setup for this season, especially when 3 of the 5 regions averaged less PPH's in 2022 than the long term average, and 2 of those were below 1 PPH. And you had 3 regions where 60%, or more of the hens observed had no poults.
So not sure why that "record" harvest is anything to brag about or discuss. It doesn't tell us anything.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:03 am to Sparetime
quote:
So we have two issues that identically match the timeline of the decline to turkey populations that nobody cam dis with a straight face......
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:10 am to Ron Cheramie
You say that Ron, but that could just be talk. Until actual stats are published, and stats from as far back as the early 1980’s, with explanation as to how the data was collected, that what you wrote is just talk, with hope that no one questions it.
Not putting it on you Ron, but conclusions such as that are unfounded until the method of collection is shown in detail.
So, with that said, today yes there is a severe decline in the eastern wild turkey in the Southeast.
Not putting it on you Ron, but conclusions such as that are unfounded until the method of collection is shown in detail.
So, with that said, today yes there is a severe decline in the eastern wild turkey in the Southeast.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:54 am to Cowboyfan89
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Let's see what happens this year. The 2021 poult production survey showed 4 of 5 regions in the state with a decrease from 2020, then you had the 8th highest estimated harvest in 2022. Not a good setup for this season, especially when 3 of the 5 regions averaged less PPH's in 2022 than the long term average, and 2 of those were below 1 PPH. And you had 3 regions where 60%, or more of the hens observed had no poults.
Yep this year should set up to be not good for adult birds but I bet the harvest magically shows differently at the end of the year
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:58 am to Ron Cheramie
I know 2002 to 2006 was fantastic. I was amazed at the turkeys i saw.
Also, 1988-97in St Helena, Tangipahoa, and Washington parishes.
Amazing. The days of Walter Parrot, Preston was at his best, Toxy of mossy oak was new, and those Ms flocks were strong. Good ol days. Montpelier La was like the turkey headquarters. All the way up 55 to Kentwood & Gillsberg. I’ve seen the good days.
Also, 1988-97in St Helena, Tangipahoa, and Washington parishes.
Amazing. The days of Walter Parrot, Preston was at his best, Toxy of mossy oak was new, and those Ms flocks were strong. Good ol days. Montpelier La was like the turkey headquarters. All the way up 55 to Kentwood & Gillsberg. I’ve seen the good days.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 11:06 am
Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:32 pm to EF Hutton
The 3 countries I hunt in Alabama had good hatches the last 2 years.
We are seeing a lot of 2-3 year old gobblers and a lot of jakes.
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[/url]Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:24 am to EF Hutton
Everyone seems to be missing the mark. Quails are being designated by fire ants and probably turkeys are facing the same fate. When the first quail egg hatches, fire ants are there to welcome it. They simply wait around for the next one to hatch. Throw a meat scrap on the ground and come back in a few hours. Our ant friends will be there. I think this is main factor in ground nesting declines.
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