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re: Tomorrow Recreational red snapper season will end in your lifetime
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:25 pm to TJG210
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:25 pm to TJG210
When this passes remember that the advisory panel recommend against it.
Chaos Reigns At Gulf Council
Gulf Council’s own Red Snapper Advisory Panel rejects sector separation
POSTED ON JULY 31, 2014
Even as the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council fast-tracks a highly controversial plan to break the recreational red snapper fishery into private boat anglers and charter/for-hire operators, the Council’s own Red Snapper Advisory Panel voted today to reject the concept entirely.
The Advisory Panel’s recommendations are non-binding and it remains uncertain what impact, if any, the panel’s decision will ultimately have on the Gulf Council’s deliberations. The vote by a panel comprised of three charter/for-hire representatives, four private recreational anglers, two commercial fishermen, one representative of the Environmental Defense Fund and one academic would seem to signal that the concept of sector separation needs much greater scrutiny, even as public hearings are set to kick off next week on Amendment 40 – Sector Separation.
“It seems clear that there are forces at work here trying to ram this SEPARATION SCHEME through the process as fast as possible to take advantage of all the confusion and frustration over federal management of red snapper,” said Bill Bird, chairman of Coastal Conservation Association’s National Government Relations Committee. “The Council spent the last 18 months on an amendment to reallocate the red snapper fishery between the commercial and recreational sectors, and then decided rather suddenly to shelve it. Then they fast-tracked this amendment to create a whole new sector in just a few weeks, but their own advisory panel doesn’t support it. This is just pure chaos.”
Chaos Reigns At Gulf Council
Gulf Council’s own Red Snapper Advisory Panel rejects sector separation
POSTED ON JULY 31, 2014
Even as the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council fast-tracks a highly controversial plan to break the recreational red snapper fishery into private boat anglers and charter/for-hire operators, the Council’s own Red Snapper Advisory Panel voted today to reject the concept entirely.
The Advisory Panel’s recommendations are non-binding and it remains uncertain what impact, if any, the panel’s decision will ultimately have on the Gulf Council’s deliberations. The vote by a panel comprised of three charter/for-hire representatives, four private recreational anglers, two commercial fishermen, one representative of the Environmental Defense Fund and one academic would seem to signal that the concept of sector separation needs much greater scrutiny, even as public hearings are set to kick off next week on Amendment 40 – Sector Separation.
“It seems clear that there are forces at work here trying to ram this SEPARATION SCHEME through the process as fast as possible to take advantage of all the confusion and frustration over federal management of red snapper,” said Bill Bird, chairman of Coastal Conservation Association’s National Government Relations Committee. “The Council spent the last 18 months on an amendment to reallocate the red snapper fishery between the commercial and recreational sectors, and then decided rather suddenly to shelve it. Then they fast-tracked this amendment to create a whole new sector in just a few weeks, but their own advisory panel doesn’t support it. This is just pure chaos.”
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:35 pm to TutHillTiger
I figure good lord willing I could get another 60 years or so.
Really think there won't be any snapper fishing for that long?
Also, has it been stated that they intend to go after pelagics in the future or are you drawing conclusions? I'm not disagreeing, just curious as to if you heard anything or not.
Really think there won't be any snapper fishing for that long?
Also, has it been stated that they intend to go after pelagics in the future or are you drawing conclusions? I'm not disagreeing, just curious as to if you heard anything or not.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 8:42 pm to TutHillTiger
CCA - Coastal Conservation Association
I don't see how red snapper help "conserve the coast".
I'm glad they're on our side, but why would they have interest in this? Would their membership dwindle if they didn't get involved?
Seriously not trying to troll here. I've just always wondered.
I don't see how red snapper help "conserve the coast".
I'm glad they're on our side, but why would they have interest in this? Would their membership dwindle if they didn't get involved?
Seriously not trying to troll here. I've just always wondered.
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:34 pm to Shexter
If they didn't do it someone would bitch about it.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 9:35 pm to Motorboat
Interesting arguments on poli board with the oceanographer tonight as well.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:13 pm to eng08
Wake me up when the shooting starts
Posted on 8/27/14 at 10:50 pm to jimjackandjose
it keeps getting better.....
https://www.outdooralabama.com/sites/default/files/Preliminary%20Results%20of%20Alabama%202014%20Red%20Snapper%20Reporting.pdf
NMFS
/
AL
Program
Comparison
The
Alabama
Red
Snapper
Reporting
Program
estimates
that
417,526
pounds
of
red
snapper
were
landed
through
June.
The
federal
MRIP
Program
estimates
that
1,041,121
pounds
of
red
snapper
were
landed
in
Alabama
through
June.
The
federal
program
landing
estimates
are
nearly
two
and
a
half
times
more
red
snapper
than
the
Alabama
Red
Snapper
Reporting
Program.
This
is
a
significant
difference!
AMRD
has
installed
video
cameras
at
six
coastal
boat
launches.
Video
data
from
the
cameras
were
used
to
count
vessel
launches
and
fishermen
during
the
nine
day
federal
season.
The
video
data
confirms
that
the
estimates
from
the
Alabama
Red
Snapper
Reporting
Program
are
more
accurate
than
the
federal
MRIP
estimates.
https://www.outdooralabama.com/sites/default/files/Preliminary%20Results%20of%20Alabama%202014%20Red%20Snapper%20Reporting.pdf
NMFS
/
AL
Program
Comparison
The
Alabama
Red
Snapper
Reporting
Program
estimates
that
417,526
pounds
of
red
snapper
were
landed
through
June.
The
federal
MRIP
Program
estimates
that
1,041,121
pounds
of
red
snapper
were
landed
in
Alabama
through
June.
The
federal
program
landing
estimates
are
nearly
two
and
a
half
times
more
red
snapper
than
the
Alabama
Red
Snapper
Reporting
Program.
This
is
a
significant
difference!
AMRD
has
installed
video
cameras
at
six
coastal
boat
launches.
Video
data
from
the
cameras
were
used
to
count
vessel
launches
and
fishermen
during
the
nine
day
federal
season.
The
video
data
confirms
that
the
estimates
from
the
Alabama
Red
Snapper
Reporting
Program
are
more
accurate
than
the
federal
MRIP
estimates.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 11:30 pm to TutHillTiger
I have heard that they are going to do the commercially viable species and reef fish first. Most pelagic fish are of nay commercial interest other than maybe spanish mackeral. (see Below)
2013-2014 Preliminary Landings (lbs) for Species with Stock ACLs in the Gulf of Mexico*
Species Complex Season Sector Date Landing Available Througha Sector Total Total Reported 2012 ACL/Quota Units Percent of ACL Stock Closure Date
Spanish Mackerel
April 1 - March 31 Recreational March 31, 2014 5,248,428 6,378,446 5,150,000 ww 123.85
Commercial March 31, 2014 1,130,018
* Recreational landings available through April 30, 2014 and only contain MRFSS landings. Except Headboat landings are included for 2013 Spanish mackerel landings and January to May 2014 for hogfish landings.
** ACL was exceeded in the previous year requiring in-season monitoring for 2014.
View Historical Stock Landings in the Gulf of Mexico
Definitions:
ww = whole weight
gw = gutted weight
2013-2014 Preliminary Landings (lbs) for Species with Stock ACLs in the Gulf of Mexico*
Species Complex Season Sector Date Landing Available Througha Sector Total Total Reported 2012 ACL/Quota Units Percent of ACL Stock Closure Date
Spanish Mackerel
April 1 - March 31 Recreational March 31, 2014 5,248,428 6,378,446 5,150,000 ww 123.85
Commercial March 31, 2014 1,130,018
* Recreational landings available through April 30, 2014 and only contain MRFSS landings. Except Headboat landings are included for 2013 Spanish mackerel landings and January to May 2014 for hogfish landings.
** ACL was exceeded in the previous year requiring in-season monitoring for 2014.
View Historical Stock Landings in the Gulf of Mexico
Definitions:
ww = whole weight
gw = gutted weight
This post was edited on 8/28/14 at 12:13 am
Posted on 8/28/14 at 5:10 am to TutHillTiger
quote:
Most pelagic fish are of nay commercial interest other than maybe spanish mackeral.
I'm pretty sure that's not correct. How can you say any of the Tunas or Mahi don't have commercial value? Or swordfish? I'm sure there are many others. They all have commercial value now, why would that change?
This post was edited on 8/28/14 at 8:07 am
Posted on 8/28/14 at 7:51 am to DownSouthDave
quote:
Most pelagic fish are of nay commercial interest other than maybe spanish mackeral.
I'm pretty sure that's not correct. How can you say any of the Tunas or Mahi don't have commercial value? Or swordfish? I'm sure their are many others. They all have commercial value now, why would that change?
Yeah, I'm not sure what he is talking about. The commercial market for pelagics is huge.
This whole thing is a cluster. They need to get snapper out from under the Magnuson act, but the government is not about relinquishing power over anything so it will never happen.
I will tell you this, if I catch big reds while Mangrove fishing, they will not be thrown back.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:02 am to Artie Rome
quote:
I will tell you this, if I catch big reds while Mangrove fishing, they will not be thrown back.
such a badass. Was this thing voted on last night?
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:05 am to Motorboat
filet, release
filet, release
filet, release
filet, release
filet, release
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:07 am to DownSouthDave
quote:
I'm pretty sure that's not correct. How can you say any of the Tunas or Mahi don't have commercial value? Or swordfish? I'm sure their are many others. They all have commercial value now, why would that change?
I'm going to assume he means taken from the Gulf of Mexico. I have absolutely no stats to back this up but I wouldn't think too much commercial pelagic fishing is done in the Gulf due to the distance having to be traveled compared to the Atlantic. We have seen a couple long liners out there but I don't recall ever seeing any other commercial vessels in blue water
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:07 am to TutHillTiger
With Mary Landrieu up for reelection, she is probably ripe for pressure on something like this. Just saying.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:07 am to TutHillTiger
quote:
Started under GHWB...
Don't try to bring that bs into this opportunity to bitch about Obama. Clearly he hates recreational fishermen with boats. Notice that you don't see any regulation of bank fishermen!
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:11 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
With Mary Landrieu up for reelection, she is probably ripe for pressure on something like this. Just saying.
She's already come out on this LINK
quote:
A wonder lasts but nine days, but that's not enough time for red snapper season, U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu and a Gulf Coast colleague argue. In an attempt to reel in the feds' authority over how long recreational anglers are permitted to fish for red snapper, Landrieu and U.S. Sen. Tom Wicker (R-Miss.) offered an amendment Wednesday that would give authority over red snapper stocks to the states.
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:11 am to Mung
quote:
Notice that you don't see any regulation of bank fishermen!
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:12 am to TutHillTiger
quote:
NMFS /AL
Program Comparison
The Alabama Red Snapper Reporting Program estimates that 417,526 pounds of red snapper were landed through June. The federal MRIP Program estimates that 1,041,121 pounds of red snapper were landed in Alabama through June. The federal program landing estimates are nearly two and a half times more red snapper than the Alabama Red Snapper Reporting Program. This is a significant difference!
AMRD has installed video cameras at six coastal boat launches. Video data from the cameras were used to count vessel launches and fishermen during the nine day federal season. The video data confirms that the estimates from the Alabama Red Snapper Reporting Program are more accurate than the federal MRIP estimates.
In a readable format...
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:12 am to Mung
would the bucket brigade fall under this regulation?
Posted on 8/28/14 at 8:15 am to redneck
quote:
We have seen a couple long liners out there but I don't recall ever seeing any other commercial vessels in blue water
I have seen fleets of small trolling vessels at the edge of the canyon before. They're there.
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