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re: S+W Walther PPK/S Opinions? (Update Pg. 2)
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:23 am to Cold Pizza
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:23 am to Cold Pizza
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Do you intend to use this as a ccw? If so I think function trumps aesthetics.
Possibly down the road. Just want to get comfortable owning and shooting with it first, but that is a consideration. If I can find a gun whose looks I'm in love with, then that would be a plus. But that's why I was asking about the new PPK as it does seem to carry a questionable reputation. The Bersas have a similar design but with a better reputation than the S+M Walther, so I would probably choose that over the Ruger.
This post was edited on 8/4/12 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 8/4/12 at 6:32 pm to shutterspeed
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Too much trouble for a novice?
There are MANY handguns out there that are a much better choice for a beginning handgunner. For a newbie who's learning the basics of gun safety and gun handling, the best choice is either a 22 LR revolver or 22 LR semi-auto.
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Too unreliable for home defense/ccw?
Semi-auto reliability can vary a great deal from shooter to shooter, especially w/ smaller semi-auto's. In addition, I wouldn't recommend a 380 ACP as one's main or sole self defense/home defense/ccw gun. Do I want to get shot by a 380 ACP? No, but there are still much better choices. I carry my 380 when clothing or circumstances make it difficult to carry something else. Personally, I think the best self-defense guns start at 9mm.
Posted on 8/4/12 at 7:53 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I think the Walther is P380 no? Ppk n larger calibers 
Posted on 8/4/12 at 8:30 pm to Preys on Gumps
Looks like the PPK and PPK/S are both available only in 32 ACP and 380 ACP.
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Article about the interesting history of the PPK/S. Basically the Walther lengthened the grip/frame of the PPK, creating the PPK/S, so it could be be legally imported after passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
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Article about the interesting history of the PPK/S. Basically the Walther lengthened the grip/frame of the PPK, creating the PPK/S, so it could be be legally imported after passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
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This post was edited on 8/4/12 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 8/4/12 at 10:59 pm to shutterspeed
Seemed a very sharp recoil to me.
Posted on 8/5/12 at 12:11 am to TigerOnThe Hill
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For a newbie who's learning the basics of gun safety and gun handling, the best choice is either a 22 LR revolver or 22 LR semi-auto.
After more research, I'm almost set on buying a Bersa Thunder .22 now. I think I will love the nickel finish with added wood grips. When it comes down to it, I need something good for a newb. My wife and son could shoot it as well. The ammo is super cheap and plentiful (unlike the .380!). And if I like it, I could later move up to the .380. Or, even better, invest in a Sig. I'm going to a gun show tomorrow where hopefully I'll be able to put one in my hand.
This post was edited on 8/5/12 at 12:13 am
Posted on 8/5/12 at 7:00 pm to shutterspeed
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After more research, I'm almost set on buying a Bersa Thunder .22 now. I think I will love the nickel finish with added wood grips. When it comes down to it, I need something good for a newb. My wife and son could shoot it as well.
Wise choice, shutterspeed. Although I don't own a Bersa, I've read a LOT of good comments on the 'net. The entire family will enjoy shooting the 22 LR. Be sure you always use good hearing protection. I recommend using BOTH plugs (the expanding foam type) and muffs (you can get the electronic type now for less than $30; using the electronic muffs, everyone can converse w/ each other w/o having to remove the plugs/muffs.
Posted on 8/5/12 at 10:41 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Thanks, Tiger.
I finally got to put my hands on some of these guns at a gun show this morning. Handled the Bersa and PPK. Felt about as expected. I also picked up a Sig 9mm that I liked the feel of, as well as the Walther P22 and Sig Mosquito, both of which I'm interested in now as well. Watched some video of the P22, though, and there was a TON of jamming going on. I've also read some pretty terrible reviews about the Mosquito.
I finally got to put my hands on some of these guns at a gun show this morning. Handled the Bersa and PPK. Felt about as expected. I also picked up a Sig 9mm that I liked the feel of, as well as the Walther P22 and Sig Mosquito, both of which I'm interested in now as well. Watched some video of the P22, though, and there was a TON of jamming going on. I've also read some pretty terrible reviews about the Mosquito.
This post was edited on 8/5/12 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 8/6/12 at 8:01 am to shutterspeed
I would not buy a dedicated 22lr for recreation and home defense. The ammo is way too unreliable to trust my life to it. And if you want a good home defense weapon, I would strongly suggest a 9mm over a .380 ACP. I don't know why you are set on that round as it's actually more expensive than 9mm even though it's smaller. Get a full sized 9mm and you'll get more rounds in a more managable platform. If you want a GREAT Walther in a full sized platform, the PPQ trumps all.
If you want a good 22 pistol, I strongly suggest a Ruger 22/45 or Mark 3 with a threaded barrel so you can add a suppressor down the road. This 22/45 is available on Bud's for about 370ish.
Or if you can find a 22/45 LITE, they are great pistols but pretty new so good luck finding one.
EDIT: If you're looking for something to fill both a CCW and a home defense weapon, I would suggest a Kahr. They are very thin guns (what is most important for CC dubs) and work very well. I have a CM9 and I absolutely love it. But if you want a full sized one, I would go with a CW9. It's the same thinness but slightly larger in the grip and barrel.
Or a M&P Shield if you can find one.
If you want a good 22 pistol, I strongly suggest a Ruger 22/45 or Mark 3 with a threaded barrel so you can add a suppressor down the road. This 22/45 is available on Bud's for about 370ish.
Or if you can find a 22/45 LITE, they are great pistols but pretty new so good luck finding one.
EDIT: If you're looking for something to fill both a CCW and a home defense weapon, I would suggest a Kahr. They are very thin guns (what is most important for CC dubs) and work very well. I have a CM9 and I absolutely love it. But if you want a full sized one, I would go with a CW9. It's the same thinness but slightly larger in the grip and barrel.
Or a M&P Shield if you can find one.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 8:06 am
Posted on 8/6/12 at 12:43 pm to bapple
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I would not buy a dedicated 22lr for recreation and home defense. The ammo is way too unreliable to trust my life to it.
I agree. To clarify, my recommendation for a 22 LR handgunwas to learn the gun basics of handgun handling, not as a starter gun for self defense/concealed carry.
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And if you want a good home defense weapon, I would strongly suggest a 9mm over a .380 ACP.
I agree.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:21 pm to bapple
Thanks for the info, Bapple.
The .380 originally came about because I was looking for something concealable and fun to shoot. I really like the ppk style,especially in stainless. I did see a Sig Sauer 9mm that interested me, though. And I'd probably be a fool to not at least consider a Glock 19.
I do think that the .380 ammo will ultimately prove too expensive.
The .380 originally came about because I was looking for something concealable and fun to shoot. I really like the ppk style,especially in stainless. I did see a Sig Sauer 9mm that interested me, though. And I'd probably be a fool to not at least consider a Glock 19.
I do think that the .380 ammo will ultimately prove too expensive.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 8/6/12 at 1:45 pm to shutterspeed
Well if you're into Walther, the PPQ has said to have the best striker-fired trigger on the market. It's not as thin as some of the single-stacks on the market but a double stack will never be that thin.
I suggest you hold a Glock 19 and compare it to the others before you buy it. The ergonomics are very different from other guns - grip is wide, grip angle is very sharp, and the trigger and sights are different. If it works for you then go for it though. I don't like Glocks but I can't act like they don't have a good track record.
If you're in that price range I also suggest looking at the M&P series of pistols by S&W. They are amazingly ergonomic and comfortable. The stock trigger is a bit stiff but there are some good companies making aftermarket trigger kits for them.
Or the Ruger SR series of pistols. I own an SR9c and it is awesome! The trigger is crisp and has a short reset and the grip is very comfortable. It's also closer to the 400-450 price range.
Mainly you just need to go to a gun store and see which one feels best. Each have about the same capacity as the other and all are reliable. The way it fits your hand is the most important thing. The more comfortable you are with it, the easier it'll be to shoot.
I suggest you hold a Glock 19 and compare it to the others before you buy it. The ergonomics are very different from other guns - grip is wide, grip angle is very sharp, and the trigger and sights are different. If it works for you then go for it though. I don't like Glocks but I can't act like they don't have a good track record.
If you're in that price range I also suggest looking at the M&P series of pistols by S&W. They are amazingly ergonomic and comfortable. The stock trigger is a bit stiff but there are some good companies making aftermarket trigger kits for them.
Or the Ruger SR series of pistols. I own an SR9c and it is awesome! The trigger is crisp and has a short reset and the grip is very comfortable. It's also closer to the 400-450 price range.
Mainly you just need to go to a gun store and see which one feels best. Each have about the same capacity as the other and all are reliable. The way it fits your hand is the most important thing. The more comfortable you are with it, the easier it'll be to shoot.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:21 pm to bapple
Unfortunately Hattiesburg doesnt have any gunshops where you can rent guns to try out. Might have to try Precision next time I visit BR.
Posted on 8/6/12 at 2:50 pm to shutterspeed
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Unfortunately Hattiesburg doesnt have any gunshops where you can rent guns to try out. Might have to try Precision next time I visit BR.
If you visit BR, go to Jim's right by Precision. They have a huge selection there. And the way I've always done it, if the price sucks at Jim's, hold it and feel it there to see if you like it, then order it somewhere else.
Precision has great deals on guns though. I bought my SR9c from them before.
Once you hold them all, the right gun will choose you. You won't even have to second guess it.
Posted on 8/8/12 at 12:32 am to shutterspeed
for concealment, ergos, and reliability, check out the pps. I had one and it went bang every time and was tiny but way more. omfortable to hold and shoot than any 380 I've held. It comes in 9mm and .40. They are a little pricey at the local gun shops, but buds had it for right at $500. as for the .22 pistol, ruger is the way to go.
Posted on 8/11/12 at 5:16 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
Took the wife and son to look at a few pistols today. Immediately spotted a Walther PPK/S .380 and asked to hold it. Slide seemed really stiff. No way my wife was going to have an easy time with that one right out the gate. Eliminated for our first handgun purchase.
Picked a SigSauer .22 in a 1911 frame next. Slide pull was still a little tough for wife and son. Heavy too. Son liked the look of it, though.
Next tried a Walther P22. Bingo. Very light. Felt comfortable in my larger hands as well as my wife's and sons. This was the first gun that my wife didn't handle like it had some kind of communicable disease. Both racked the gun with no problem at all.
Finally tried a Ruger .22LR revolver. Extremely light. Didn't care for the sights. And not as nice of a grip as the P22. Still a nice gun, though.
Guy behind the counter tried to recommend a Luger .22 Lite. Racked the gun and then somehow got himself pinched. Bled all over the place. Wife said no way.
At the end of the day, wife, son, and I liked the P22 best.
So what is the consensus on this gun? Or there are another similar guns out there worth checking out? I'm still also considering a Bersa Thunder .22 because I can get it in that nice ppk style, nickel finish, and $100 cheaper than the P22. The Thunder also seems to have a better design and reputation than the P22.
Picked a SigSauer .22 in a 1911 frame next. Slide pull was still a little tough for wife and son. Heavy too. Son liked the look of it, though.
Next tried a Walther P22. Bingo. Very light. Felt comfortable in my larger hands as well as my wife's and sons. This was the first gun that my wife didn't handle like it had some kind of communicable disease. Both racked the gun with no problem at all.
Finally tried a Ruger .22LR revolver. Extremely light. Didn't care for the sights. And not as nice of a grip as the P22. Still a nice gun, though.
Guy behind the counter tried to recommend a Luger .22 Lite. Racked the gun and then somehow got himself pinched. Bled all over the place. Wife said no way.
At the end of the day, wife, son, and I liked the P22 best.
So what is the consensus on this gun? Or there are another similar guns out there worth checking out? I'm still also considering a Bersa Thunder .22 because I can get it in that nice ppk style, nickel finish, and $100 cheaper than the P22. The Thunder also seems to have a better design and reputation than the P22.
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 8/11/12 at 6:40 pm to shutterspeed
A friend of mine has a Walther P22. My thoughts from limited shooting of it.
Advantages: It's a nice gun w/ an amazingly short trigger reset. It is reasonably accurate. The grip feels great. It's a nice looking, quality gun.
Potential drawbacks: The mag release is not conventional, but if one gets used to it, I think it would work well. Of course that can work against one when one then shoots a handgun w/ a conventionally placed mag release. The external safety mounted on the frame operates the opposite of most slide mounted safeties: the safety is disengaged by flipping the safety; on most guns, flipping the safety up engages the safety. Extra mags are expensive.
ETA: the safety is disengaged by flipping the safety UP.
Funny how confusing a sentence can become by leaving out one word!
Advantages: It's a nice gun w/ an amazingly short trigger reset. It is reasonably accurate. The grip feels great. It's a nice looking, quality gun.
Potential drawbacks: The mag release is not conventional, but if one gets used to it, I think it would work well. Of course that can work against one when one then shoots a handgun w/ a conventionally placed mag release. The external safety mounted on the frame operates the opposite of most slide mounted safeties: the safety is disengaged by flipping the safety; on most guns, flipping the safety up engages the safety. Extra mags are expensive.
ETA: the safety is disengaged by flipping the safety UP.
Funny how confusing a sentence can become by leaving out one word!
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 8/11/12 at 7:23 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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Potential drawbacks: The mag release is not conventional, but if one gets used to it, I think it would work well. Of course that can work against one when one then shoots a handgun w/ a conventionally placed mag release.
Yep. Forgot to mention that. After handling a few of the guns, I was like WTF? Where is the mag release? Once the clerk showed me, it was nothing to simply operate with my thumb. My wife had a little more trouble with it. And my son had great difficulty with it. With practice, I don't think it will be a problem. Definitely not a deal breaker.
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The external safety mounted on the frame operates the opposite of most slide mounted safeties: the safety is disengaged by flipping the safety; on most guns, flipping the safety up engages the safety.
I wish I had known that so I could have focused on that aspect a little more at the time. I'll have to see if this is an impediment for us.
This post was edited on 8/11/12 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 8/13/12 at 8:13 am to shutterspeed
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I'm not as fond of the Ruger's aesthetics as much as the PPK. I would probably just go ahead and look at the Glock 19s in that case.
As has been noted, PPK will bite you -- and despite what you may read, there's a huge difference between terminal ballistics of the .380 and the 9mm. And yes, the old Walthers are far superior to today's.
The G19, loaded w/ Ranger-T or HST, is one of the best defensive handguns you can buy.
p.s. I'd worry a lot less about "aesthetics" and focus on reliability.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 4:30 pm to shutterspeed
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Guy behind the counter tried to recommend a Luger .22 Lite.
You're probably referring to the Ruger 22/45 Lite that I posted up there^^^. Luger is the WWII maker of 9mm German handguns.
A Ruger 22 is one of the most reliable and accurate 22s out there. But I guess if you don't like the looks then you just don't.
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Picked a SigSauer .22 in a 1911 frame next. Slide pull was still a little tough for wife and son. Heavy too. Son liked the look of it, though.
If you think the slide is tough to rack on a .22 then I have some bad news for you. The recoil spring is gonna be stiffer for any higher caliber gun. You just need to use the proper technique to rack the slide. Most people think you need to "sling-shot" the slide, but this is actually the proper way.
This way you're pushing with both hands, rather than pulling with only one. You get more power behind it and it actually works better this way.
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So what is the consensus on this gun? Or there are another similar guns out there worth checking out? I'm still also considering a Bersa Thunder .22 because I can get it in that nice ppk style, nickel finish, and $100 cheaper than the P22. The Thunder also seems to have a better design and reputation than the P22.
I would recommend a Ruger SR22 before a Walther P22. The Walther isn't bad but I've heard a few people who have had issues. The SR22 is set up a lot like the Walther but I think it's just a slight improvement in terms of ergonomics.
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