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Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:22 am
Posted by way_south
Member since Jul 2017
815 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:22 am
I am moving to a place that has a few ponds on the property and I have wanted to learn to fly fish for a while. What do you fly fisherman recommend to use for a 1st time setup for pond fishing? It'll be bream and bass to start. I would imagine my 10 year old will want to learn as soon I start, so i don't want to break the bank here, just looking for a good value to learn with and pass on to him if he's interested.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25007 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:28 am to
Cabela's wind river 9ft 5wt is a decent and cheap little set up.

TFO for more money.

Orvis' cheapest isn't bad either
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 9:29 am
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:28 am to
I would start off with a 9 foot 5 weight and a weight forward floating line. Don't spend a pile of money to begin with but understand there is a reason a good fly rod costs $300-$1000 or more...the rod makes a HUGE difference but in the beginning you want to get the motion down to rote muscle memory....you can do that with a $20 glass rod (if there is still such a thing) and a $10 reel and a $5 line....bass and bream don't care and if you ever get a bass big enough to need backing it'd be a rare day indeed. Gear is not as important in the beginning as practicing and keeping your wrist from doing what intuition tells you it needs to do.....if you haven't watched any casting videos yet the wrist should remain almost if not completely locked....as you progress you'll find that some wrist action adds to the process but the instinctive thing for most people is to use their wrist as much as the arm....which will give you BIG uncontrollable loops on the back cast causing all manner of ill outcomes including catching yourself or whipping your backside with the line....it will also cause the line to slap the water on the forecast and, maybe worst of all, wear you out and make the exercise VERY un-enjoyable very quickly....the rod does the work when done properly and you can cast 14 hours a day without getting sore if done properly.

Finally learn how to tie knots...whatever knot you prefer, they all work, and you don't want to be in a position where you are missing fish because it takes to long to change tippet. Get some small popping bugs with legs, trim the legs (trust me...bream will eat any color popping bug but if the legs are as long as they usually come they grab the legs and you can't get a hook in them). Also will need some sponge spiders and some slow sinking bees....when you get some semblance of casting down start streamer fishing...bass will also hit bugs on top but when you start streamer fishing you are on your way....chances are the bass in your area have seen more plastics and hard baits than they have live bait...but a clouser will be irresistible to them.


A word of warning...fly fishing is akin to golf....if you are a perfectionist who can live with continuous improvement it is very addictive....if you can't accept the fact that you are probably never going to be Lee Wulff its a blast...if that will be a problem it will be very frustrating. Cast, cast, cast....don't worry about what you look like...I'd say 99% of the fly fisherman I ever fished around were ashamed of their casting....the other 1% were either devoid of self awareness or assholes! Also remember that even on the most technical of waters fish can and have been caught with a cane pole and a line with no reel at all.....I've caught about everything that can be caught on a long rod but a bill fish....I have hooked sails but never leadered one (yet!!!) and up until 5 years ago I would not double haul in front of anyone I didn't know well...43 years of practice and I am still learning!!!
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:35 am to
quote:

I am moving to a place that has a few ponds on the property and I have wanted to learn to fly fish for a while. What do you fly fisherman recommend to use for a 1st time setup for pond fishing? It'll be bream and bass to start. I would imagine my 10 year old will want to learn as soon I start, so i don't want to break the bank here, just looking for a good value to learn with and pass on to him if he's interested.


Another word of caution...you 10 year old will surpass you QUICK....my 9 year old daughter and I floated the Green River (Utah) last summer for 3 days and she had only handled a fly rod maybe twice for an hour prior to that....she can fish a dropper rig now as good as anyone and can fish an indicator WAY better than I ever could! Fly rods are ideal for a kid because they haven't adapted the brute strength of doing things that most adult men think will fix any and all manner of ills....fly fishing is all about technique and subtlety....big hulking man strength is a barrier to success.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23988 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:38 am to
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Cabela's wind river 9ft 5wt is a decent and cheap little set up.


You'll be a bit under-gunned throwing bigger bugs for bass with a 5wt. Personally, I'd go with a 6wt. BUT a 5wt would be perfect for the 10 y/o.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:39 am
Posted by Captain Ray
Member since Nov 2016
1589 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:22 am to
good advice above I would go with a stiffer rod for a beginner. a 7 is sensitive enough for a brim popper or wet fly but still enough for a big bass bug and the potability of moving up later. One thing I can add is when fishing ponds ya gotta be mind full of your back cast. Any experienced guy can tell ya about snagging trees and stuff on their back cast. It is something to consider specially teaching a kid to do it. Snagging ya back cast can be frustrating specially for kids.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23988 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:06 pm to
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ya gotta be mind full of your back cast.


Jon boat or kayak for the win.
Posted by specchaser
lafayette
Member since Feb 2008
2591 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:36 pm to
just ordered the cabela's combo to start practicing in my pond. i fished w/ a fly rod and popping bugs for bream and bass as a kid but it's been awhile. what fly line do you recommend and what pound test for leader?(for popping bug)

anything else i need to get started?
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted by LG2BAMA
Texas
Member since Dec 2015
1180 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:41 pm to
I think most poppers would need a 0x - 3x leader
Posted by Captain Ray
Member since Nov 2016
1589 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:55 pm to
most poppers get by with what ever mono ya have lying about no need for all that fancy stuff starting out pond fishing have fun.
Posted by Jsteven
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2010
667 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:36 pm to
Orvis Encounter 9' 5WT is a great starter set.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23988 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 2:12 pm to
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most poppers get by with what ever mono ya have lying about no need for all that fancy stuff starting out pond fishing have fun.



I agree. 6 or 8 lbs mono and you're good to go.
Posted by Captain Ray
Member since Nov 2016
1589 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:11 pm to
The thing to remember a fly cast is kinda like the waltz 1,2,3 repeat 1 retrieve 2 hesitate 3 cast not the retrieve cast whip ya see alot of amateurs doing. it aint a whip its a rod
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8382 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:48 am to
I’ve got the Orvis, I’ve enjoy using it. Hoping to use it this weekend on some freshwater action. Whatever bites.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
4580 posts
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:03 am to
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I agree. 6 or 8 lbs mono and you're good to go.


I didn't know there was a such a thing as a tapered leader until I was in my mid 20s and I had been fly fishing for 18 years at that point...but I think it is best to start off with a real tippet instead of mono or fluorocarbon leader because it is integral to casting properly....it rolls over as it is supposed to where mono and fluorocarbon doesn't...plus the spool memory is far greater, especially with mono. You can mimic the rollover of a tapered tippet by using a couple of different weights of mono with the bigger one at the line and the smaller one at the hook but it requires another knot which means another fail point. Mono or Flourocarbon will both work but I think perfecting the rollover is integral to good casting....bream and bass could care less about the line slapping the water...if they are eating they're gonna eat...but seeing the rollover is part of the learning curve and if you start out without it it could result in some bad habits, at least in my experience....the first time I used a tapered leader I was astonished at how much better it rolled over.....
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