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re: Some more photos from Wyoming/Montana (updated to show before/after edits)
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:03 am to JOJO Hammer
Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:03 am to JOJO Hammer
My uncle bought 10 acres in Driggs, Idaho in 1982 for $25K. Built a 2000 sq ft log cabin home on a 2.5 acre lot. Sold the first for $150,000, then built another. It sold years later for $225,000. Then built a 3rd which sold for $300,000. He moved to Diamond Head in 1992 as those same homes today are selling for $850,000 +.
Jackson Hole prices are 3x’s as much and stupid expensive. Similar thing happened to Santa Fe, NM and ski resorts in Colorado.
Jackson Hole prices are 3x’s as much and stupid expensive. Similar thing happened to Santa Fe, NM and ski resorts in Colorado.
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Posted on 11/3/24 at 11:07 am to JOJO Hammer
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All I use is lightroom, it does enough to where I don't need to use photoshop.
Thank you for showing the RAW and processed images. Very impressive what can be done. I can see that I'm going to have to start shooting in RAW; until now my computer speed and storage really couldn't handle it since I can shoot a few thousand bird photos per trip. And all I've used for processing so far has been FastStone Image Viewer which I've always thought did a good job for what I mostly use - crop, sharpen, contrast, brightness, and sometimes shadows, gamma, and saturation. Your processing goes well beyond anything I've ever managed so I guess a Lightroom subscription is in my future. Photography is something I'm starting to work on now that I'm retired and have the time. Your work is outstanding and I appreciate you showing it on this board.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 2:26 pm to Tigris
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Thank you for showing the RAW and processed images. Very impressive what can be done. I can see that I'm going to have to start shooting in RAW; until now my computer speed and storage really couldn't handle it since I can shoot a few thousand bird photos per trip. And all I've used for processing so far has been FastStone Image Viewer which I've always thought did a good job for what I mostly use - crop, sharpen, contrast, brightness, and sometimes shadows, gamma, and saturation. Your processing goes well beyond anything I've ever managed so I guess a Lightroom subscription is in my future. Photography is something I'm starting to work on now that I'm retired and have the time. Your work is outstanding and I appreciate you showing it on this board.
I highly suggest getting an external hard drive, and put all the raw photos on that. If not, you'll really slow down your computer. What I do is upload from the camera to the external, and then I'll use the external as the main folder for Lightroom, so I don't really store anything directly on my computer. If you ever have any questions about anything just shoot me a message.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 5:04 pm to JOJO Hammer
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highly suggest getting an external hard drive, and put all the raw photos on that. If not, you'll really slow down your computer.
Adobe software is also very RAM intensive. You need at least 12GB of RAM and probably 16gb for it to run smoothly and not buffer.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 6:21 pm to JOJO Hammer
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I highly suggest getting an external hard drive, and put all the raw photos on that.
That's the conclusion I reached recently. Computer hard drives are just too small for serious photography but that is easily overcome with external drives which are fairly cheap now.
I may join you on one of your photo sessions. Over the last few years I've done a lot of birding tours all over the world, and really should get better with my photos.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 7:06 pm to Tigris
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I may join you on one of your photo sessions. Over the last few years I've done a lot of birding tours all over the world, and really should get better with my photos.
That would be great! Which one are you looking at?
Even if you can't join I'll be glad to help you out as much as possible.
Posted on 11/3/24 at 9:49 pm to JOJO Hammer
Really nice work. I'll be contacting you soon.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 7:49 am to JOJO Hammer
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Holy smokes. Expose to the right man!
J/k. Nice job with the editing.
Question: Without pixel peeping, how much residual noise did you end up with pushing the exposure back up?
And before folk DV me to oblivion for a joke among photographers, let me confess I shot the kids entire last mtb race at the wrong iso. Half my shots were blurry and unusable. I was saved by down rez-ing them to 1920x1080 (I do the team slide show) and by using the ones where I got unintentional motion blurry. So I get "mistakes" happen. All it takes is having 1 setting off. Shooting wildlife makes that more probable as you might get an opportunity thar happens so fast you don't have time to change your settings to optimal.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 8:01 am to Lonnie Utah
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Holy smokes. Expose to the right man!
Probably didn’t want to give up shutter speed to help preserve detail.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 8:50 am to JOJO Hammer
Thanks for posting. Is the lightroom subscription you mention the basic 9.99 per month or other? Thanks again for all of the info.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 12:08 pm to JOJO Hammer
Wyoming/Montana are a beautiful area of the country. If you haven't been there you need to put on your bucket list along wit the Grand Tetons. It's really cool how you can drive a few miles and the terrain just changes.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:50 am to Lonnie Utah
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Holy smokes. Expose to the right man! J/k. Nice job with the editing. Question: Without pixel peeping, how much residual noise did you end up with pushing the exposure back up?
There actually wasn’t much noise in the photo after editing. It’s amazing what these new mirrorless cameras can do.
When shooting wildlife and landscapes I always expose to the left. I find the it easier to pull out the shadows rather than trying to decrease over exposed areas. I also find by purposely underexposing you get richer more vibrant colors (just my opinion).
The fox photo was taken late evening on a cloudy day, and in the shadows of one of the mountains, so there wasn’t much light. My shutter speed was 1/320, and I didn’t want to get much lower in case the fox started moving (which it did, ran down a trail straight at me). My ISO was 320, and I could have pushed that higher, but knew I’d be able to work with it in lightroom.
The bison shot is a better example of why I purposely under expose. Had I set my exposure for the bison there would have been some blown out highlights in the photo, but since i underexposed I was able to pull the shadows from the bison, and it was much easier to work with the photo in post.
You’re absolutely right when you saying one setting is off it can throw everything else off. I went from shooting slow moving animas to an osprey catching a fish at the Jackson lake dam, and missed every shot of the osprey because shutter speed was too slow. With the background they would have been some great shots, but it happens.
There is also the argument of shooting manual vs in ISO, aperture, or shutter speed priority. I shoot in manual mode, for me personally I like to be able to control everything myself rather than having the camera control it.
Hope all that makes sense, I’m sending from my phone
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:55 am to highcotton2
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Probably didn’t want to give up shutter speed to help preserve detail.
I peeped the EXIF info and found the answer. Since it's not my photo, I'll leave it to Joe to fill us in on the details. I will say this, the photo was taken at almost dark (close to 6:30 pm).
My best guess is Joe was shooting with that camera earlier in the day and found Mr. Fox sitting on the side of the road as he was exiting the park. Pulled out his camera to shoot and Mr. Fox decided to head off for the night. He didn't have time to update his camera settings as it was a rapidly evolving scene. They say every great photo has a story, and I'd love to know the actual back story on this one.
And if I'm being honest, to bring that photo from the raw file to where it was as a final image was an amazing job of post processing work. The sharpness was there and the noise wasn't. I'm truly blow away by what he was able to do with not only capturing the image, but "salvaging" the original exposure.
Edit to add: Joe filed me in on the answer as I was typing. Thank you!
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 8:57 am
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:58 am to gus78
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Thanks for posting. Is the lightroom subscription you mention the basic 9.99 per month or other? Thanks again for all of the info.
Do you get both classic and regular Lightroom with that plan?
I use Lightroom Classic, which is desktop based. I think regular Lightroom is cloud based.
I do have the regular Lightroom app on my phone for quick edits if I get something I really want to share when I’m in the field. I find I’m somewhat limited as to what I can do when editing on my phone, but I don’t do it often, so it could just be me not being used to it.
Once you get it let me know if you have any questions, I’ll be glad to help.
Just remember if your shooting in jpeg format you’ll be much more limited to what you can do as opposed to raw format
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:07 am to Lonnie Utah
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My best guess is Joe was shooting with that camera earlier in the day and found Mr. Fox sitting on the side of the road as he was exiting the park. Pulled out his camera to shoot and Mr. Fox decided to head off for the night. He didn't have time to update his camera settings as it was a rapidly evolving scene. They say every great photo has a story, and I'd love to know the actual back story on this one.
Pretty much nailed it.
I was leaving the park, and saw a bison standing on a little hill. I drove a few miles, and was just about to silver gate, and I kept thinking of that bison. He was on a small hill, and the mountain peaks were behind him, and I kept thinking it would be an epic shot. I finally turned around and went back to where he was. He was still there, but I couldn’t get an angle with the mountains in the back (he was too close to the tree line). I looked behind me and the fox was just sitting on side the road. I quickly got some shots, and then he walked across to my side, and I was sitting in the middle of a game trail, and he started running right at me. He got within about 2 feet of me, and just went around me and kept going.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:07 am to JOJO Hammer
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Hope all that makes sense, I’m sending from my phone
Yes, it all makes sense. As I've previously mentioned on here, I've only done limited wildlife shooting and, IMHO, it's one of the hardest photography disciplines to master.
And wile my camera is now long in the tooth, I will 100% agree that shadow noise is MUCH easier to deal with than blown highlights. There is actually some information left in the shadows, but none in the highlights.
When I shot landscapes, I mostly shot on a tripod in Aperture priority mode, with a fixed ISO. I adjusted the lightness/darkness of the scene with my exposure compensation mode (which I could argue is basically the same as shooting manual.) The reason I did that was I felt it was faster to adapt to changing scene conditions that full manual. But that was just me.
I also heavily relied a sorts of ND gradient filters, mainly because the older sensors didn't have dynamic range to capture the range of brightness darkness we commonly encounter.
Thanks again for the shots. They were great. And thanks again for understanding my post was a light hearted joke and not being offended by it.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:09 am to JOJO Hammer
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Pretty much nailed it.
Not my first rodeo.
Again, it was a great shot. Those guy have so much expressiveness and personality in their faces and you nailed his/hers.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:15 am to Lonnie Utah
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I've only done limited wildlife shooting and, IMHO, it's one of the hardest photography disciplines to master.
I shoot barrel racing events about once a month, and that has helped a lot with wildlife (wildlife photography has also helped with the barrel racing). Trying to get a horse running at or near full speed turning around a barrel is a challenge.
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When I shot landscapes, I mostly shot on a tripod in Aperture priority mode, with a fixed ISO. I adjusted the lightness/darkness of the scene with my exposure compensation mode (which I could argue is basically the same as shooting manual.)
I shoot 99% handheld, and really need to start using my tripod more for landscape. The great thing about mirrorless cameras is you can see exactly what you’re shooting based on your settings. I tried shooting with my D850 a few months ago before i sold it, and it took me a few minutes to adjust back to shooting with a dslr.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:43 am to JOJO Hammer
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I shoot barrel racing events about once a month, and that has helped a lot with wildlife (wildlife photography has also helped with the barrel racing). Trying to get a horse running at or near full speed turning around a barrel is a challenge.
Been there.
^^ Looking at this one for the first time in years, I'd like to reprocess it with modern techniques...
(This next one is not the best shot I've ever taken from a technical perspective but I like it because I think it tells a story. )
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I shoot 99% handheld, and really need to start using my tripod more for landscape. The great thing about mirrorless cameras is you can see exactly what you’re shooting based on your settings. I tried shooting with my D850 a few months ago before i sold it, and it took me a few minutes to adjust back to shooting with a dslr.
I have an older sony Nex-7 and when it first came out I tried to tell other photographers that mirrorless cams were the wave of the future. And was laughed at. My wife has a newer sony a6400, but really just uses it as a point an shoot. That being said, I still shoot my A900. Mainly because I have so much invested in glass that I can't afford to start over. With sony killing the a-mount in favor of e-mount I'm kinda stuck in the ecosystem financially.
A couple of hints about Yellowstone the next time you go. If you can plan a trip around the 4th of July, you should. There is a couple of week window around that time where the sun is at a perfect angle to throw a rainbow at the base of Yellowstone falls for about 15-20 mins each day. You can google it to find the exact answer. Just something to file away in your memory banks.
And finally, my last photography trip to Yellowstone (close to 10 years ago now (I've been out of the game for a while)) my personal favorite wildlife shot came at the Mammoth Springs visitor center. With the exception of the Gray Wolf, I got shots of all the marque critters there, but this ground squirrel photo was my favorite. Go figure.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 9:47 am
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:52 am to Lonnie Utah
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this ground squirrel photo was my favorite. Go figure.
Sometimes the little lesser photographed animals make then best shots. Mormots for example are very photogenic, and always seem to pose for pictures
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