So now it is legal to shoulder AR style pistols that have a brace?

Not entirely true. The atf specifically mentioned braces made by sb tactical. Still a lot of gray area in my opinion

From Sig Sauer regarding the shouldering the pistol with the brace attached:

ATF Clarifies Ruling

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“With respect to stabilizing braces, ATF has concluded that attaching the brace to a handgun as a forearm brace does not ‘make’ a short-barreled firearm because … it is not intended to be and cannot comfortably be fired from the shoulder.” The letter continues: “Therefore, an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not re-configured for use as a shoulder stock — even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder.” The following passage from the letter acknowledges the confusion surrounding the January 2015 “Open Letter on the Redesign of ‘Stabilizing Braces’”, and clarifies that ATF does not consider shouldering a PSB-equipped firearm, in and of itself, to render it an SBR. “To the extent the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational ‘use’ of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute a ‘redesign,’ such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.”

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From what I gathered from info available on the web, it is legal to shoulder them now. Just as long as you do not modify the brace from it's factory configuration, such as making it permanently attached to the buffer tube (which creates a length that has no other purpose than to facilitate its use as a stock), removing the arm strap, etc.

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Not entirely true. The atf specifically mentioned braces made by sb tactical. Still a lot of gray area in my opinion

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This was SB's spin on it to try to make people think it was only their product that was approved since the original letter was addressing their brace. Other providers contacted ATF and debunked this and there are some clarifications floating around for those as well. Basically if you leave an approved brace unaltered you are good to go. The way these braces are going and "intent" being the driver of what something is...its only a matter of time before someone sends in an adjustable stock and says if this is only used as a brace is it a brace? Despite the ATF's asinine rules, I don't see how they'll be able to say no.

My understanding, and I don't even own one, is that you are allowed to shoulder and use 'pistol' stocks on sbr's but you are not allowed to have a rifle stock. Basically the stock needs to be a carbine stock and not a rifle stock.

Even if its a gray area, I'm pretty sure no one has ever been prosecuted for shouldering one

If I were to hypothetically do it, I wouldn't be worried about getting in trouble for it

Negative, my brother worked for GearHeadWorks until recently and this was a huge spin by SB to try and take advantage of the market.

The way it works is the ATF is not going to address the industry on their own, however if you write to them (which SB’s attorneys did) addressing an issue then they will respond to you, which is what happened. So even though the correspondence was directed back to SB tactical, the opinion was not that ONLY their braces were ok to be shoulder but all competitors as well, as long as they were not altered from their factory state (don’t put a rubber pad at the end of the Buttstock).

My attorney said you don't want to be the test case

Can you point to where you read this? I believe you I’d just like to have that info at hand

What's the Maximum Effective Range of a 11.5" barrel AR15 Pistol?

Don't think so.

Just no forward grip.