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re: Shooting a doe this late
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:04 pm to oleyeller
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:04 pm to oleyeller
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because if they are preg now they not having a baby in october for starters
Doesn't matter. Either way, you are taking a breeding animal out of the population, whether it's been bred or not.
And depending on your herd dynamics, that doe may not even be bred at this point. If the buck to doe ratio is skewed towards does, there may be several does going unbred.
The question of whether to harvest a doe after the rut or let her walk comes down to your herd structure. If it's skewed heavily towards does, shoot the doe. If the ratio is closer to what it should be, let it walk.
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:07 pm to SeaPickle
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If i had not taken 2 already I wouldn't care as much
so it is okay for you to shoot 2, but he can not shoot 1?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:12 pm to Tigerpaw123
and your story keeps changing as the thread has progressed, I think you are just looking for a reason to tell him
at first you did not want to shoot a potentially pregnant doe, then it was because you had already shot 2 of the 5 , and now not wanting him to shoot because it is the rut????
I understand that you have done all the work and now someone drops in late in the season and is not on the same program, and that is a valid point, but it just seems like you are searching for an angle
at first you did not want to shoot a potentially pregnant doe, then it was because you had already shot 2 of the 5 , and now not wanting him to shoot because it is the rut????
I understand that you have done all the work and now someone drops in late in the season and is not on the same program, and that is a valid point, but it just seems like you are searching for an angle
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:14 pm to SeaPickle
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shoot one now that the rut is on
So they are just now rutting? I thought you were talking about does that are a couple months pregnant. Those does may not have even been bred yet.
You really have no leg to stand on and are looking for excuses for him not to shoot one. Greed is a bad thing
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:16 pm to Tigerpaw123
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so it is okay for you to shoot 2, but he can not shoot 1?
I never said that and didnt intend to come across that way. Im just trying to preserve what we have and let it continue to get better. If that means he missed his chance to get one this year then he can come back earlier next year. If it doesnt matter to shoot a that many does or at this time of year then he can go do what he wants.
He's also welcome to come put in the work before the season and hunt in the beginning of the season. Not show up only when he hears we are seeing/killing deer. Hell, he hunts my stands because he doesn't have any out there
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:20 pm to SeaPickle
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I never said that and didnt intend to come across that way.
Hmmm...
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I don't want him taking "3" by killing one after we already shot 2.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:22 pm to Tigerpaw123
Him hunting is a separate issue but i guess it was brought into this doe issue. I started this thread to inform myself about shooting a doe this late or not. In explaining the situation the issue with him hunting (or timing of it) was brought into view. My issue is when we have already taken a reasonable amount of does off the land. He can shoot horns all he wants. My question is about does being bread this time of year and being killed...
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:25 pm to SeaPickle
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My question is about does being bread this time of year and being killed...
to answer that question, a dead deer is a dead deer, (absent of situations where there is a very high number of does, which this does not appear to be)
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:27 pm to Cowboyfan89
i was simply trying to inform myself on the "dos and donts" of shooting a doe this late/during the rut. if it meant he was "too late" then yes it would be nice for him to come sit earlier in the season before we have killed our 1 or 2. If we had not killed any yeat then there would be more does around and this wouldnt be a concern of mine
this was about "preserving" the few deer we do have. If it doesnt matter to shoot one this late then he can have at it. If it does matter than i would prefer if he didnt.
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I don't want him taking "3" by killing one after we already shot 2.
this was about "preserving" the few deer we do have. If it doesnt matter to shoot one this late then he can have at it. If it does matter than i would prefer if he didnt.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:27 pm to SeaPickle
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Also I killed a nice buck (bigger than I'd kill on this 40ac) on another lease so i don't need any more but if I don't go hunt this guy will go and it's open season for him.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:29 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Doesn't matter. Either way, you are taking a breeding animal out of the population, whether it's been bred or not.
it asolutely does matter. you are either taking a pregnant doe or you are not
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:31 pm to oleyeller
Shoot the little doe 100% of time, let producing slut momma walk.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:34 pm to oleyeller
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it asolutely does matter. you are either taking a pregnant doe or you are not
Find a biologist that will make this point. Any deer biologist worth his paycheck is going to base that decision on buck to doe ratios and habitat condition. Not whether the does are pregnant or not. If does need to be taken out, they need to be taken out.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:40 pm to Cowboyfan89
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If does need to be taken out, they need to be taken out.
i mean the guy is hunting 40acres. He has what 3 o 4 doe left on camera? He def does not want to shoot a bred doe right now. If we were talking more property i would agree with you
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:41 pm to oleyeller
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i mean the guy is hunting 40acres. He has what 3 o 4 doe left on camera? He def does not want to shoot a bred doe right now.
i mean if he has 40 acres, none of them are actually his regardless.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:42 pm to oleyeller
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it asolutely does matter
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:45 pm to oleyeller
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i mean the guy is hunting 40acres. He has what 3 o 4 doe left on camera? He def does not want to shoot a bred doe right now. If we were talking more property i would agree with you
You're kidding right? He's not even managing deer. He's just passing on deer and getting lucky that the neighbors aren't shooting them.
You can't manage a herd on 40 acres. All you can do is manage habitat on 40 acres to make it appealing to deer.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:49 pm to Cowboyfan89
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You can't manage a herd on 40 acres.
160 is family land... but either way, you are one of those guys. "The neighbor may shoot it so i may as well" I applaud the op for doing his part. I dont care how much land you have, but if everyone uses the neighbor shooting it excuse the problem never gets fixed.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 1:51 pm to oleyeller
Different issue.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 2:02 pm to SeaPickle
If you are only seeing 4 or 5 and you've already killed two, you've already done major damage to the "herd" on that 40 acre property. What's one more going to hurt? There's a chance that you won't have any fawns next year if "all the does are too young to shoot".
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