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re: Rural Land Purchase Question - Landlocked Land - Louisiana
Posted on 7/22/25 at 2:59 pm to udtiger
Posted on 7/22/25 at 2:59 pm to udtiger
That’s what people mean when they say “you can’t sell landlocked property.”
Again, though, if it was landlocked in the past, it seems like it can still be sold. Of course, as has been mentioned, getting a loan may be difficult. And establishing legal access may also be difficult or very difficult depending on many factors, although legally possible.
Again, though, if it was landlocked in the past, it seems like it can still be sold. Of course, as has been mentioned, getting a loan may be difficult. And establishing legal access may also be difficult or very difficult depending on many factors, although legally possible.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 3:32 pm to turkish
I'll try to give a simple scenario. Let's say I own 10 acre square that fronts a roadway. If I sell the back half I have to provide the access. If I sell the front half and land lock myself then I can't demand the access. So, if a property is landlocked it is important to determine how the property became land locked. Of course there are a various kinds of "access".
Other issues that the OP said that are concerning to me:
has a right of way used by farmers (how long? usage? permission?)
Does not have utilities and will not need utilities for a while
Looking at onX Hunt, a small portion of the property is currently being farmed
Other issues that the OP said that are concerning to me:
has a right of way used by farmers (how long? usage? permission?)
Does not have utilities and will not need utilities for a while
Looking at onX Hunt, a small portion of the property is currently being farmed
Posted on 7/22/25 at 3:33 pm to turkish
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“you can’t sell landlocked property.”
Not a thing
Edit: in Louisiana
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 7/22/25 at 7:48 pm to JCPegasus
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Total is 10 acres, full of trees ~2 acres of a much larger tract being farmed on the back side of the property. It’s a very large field that extends over the property line. I’m sure these farmers are worth a lot more than me. I am curious to know why they wouldn’t buy it.
I wouldn’t rely solely on Onx- I’d get it surveyed.
Fencelines “move” over time, and that farmer might not realize he crosses over onto the land you’re looking at buying.
If you do buy it get it surveyed and then figure out how much of the farm ground is on your side. Talk to the farmer and you could probably work something out like a small “cash rent” of like $100-150/acre.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 5:31 am to Piebald Panther
Sounds like it’s best if I engage an attorney if I decide to proceed.
This sketch is rough but you might get the idea… the shaded green tract is what I’m looking at.
There are what appears to be equipment right of ways between the tracts. The green line in the sketch is an access driveway / right of way to the property. I would need to verify if documented. I drove my truck all the way to the property.
It’s an interesting property to me because a lot of the other fields are owned by different individuals with the same last name as this seller. I walked the property. It looks like it was farmed 20+ years ago because there are furrows even though there are dense mature trees across the property. The price point seems reasonable. I would think one of the farmers would buy it, clear it, and farm it.
I want it because of the proximity to public hunting, fishing, and family. I rent VRBO houses when I go home. This property may not appeal to many. It’s not a hunting camp. It’s not practical for a residential development. For me, it’s a place to park a travel trailer hidden in the “woods” and the fields. I think my young boys would enjoy it.
The feedback from the group definitely helped me spot a few potential blind spots.
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 6:36 am
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:26 am to JCPegasus
If the trees are in rows, it is probably WRP. This would be a perpetual easement with .gov prohibiting development, and limiting clearing even for a campsite.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:59 am to turkish
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If the trees are in rows, it is probably WRP. This would be a perpetual easement with .gov prohibiting development, and limiting clearing even for a campsite.
Good to know. It doesn’t appear to be planned. And they aren’t planted in the rows in any organized manner. There’s a mixture of some decent Oak trees, a couple of cypress, and a bunch of low quality junk trees. Lots of underbrush.
It just looks like someone stopped farming it a long time ago and Mother Nature took over.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 2:11 pm to JCPegasus
You need a knowledgeable attorney and/or a GOOD real estate agent. I know they are hated here, but a good rural land agent will give you solid advice.
Looks like you are buying land that has no access, might have 20% adverse possession and may be enrolled in a conservation easement.
Looks like you are buying land that has no access, might have 20% adverse possession and may be enrolled in a conservation easement.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 3:48 pm to JCPegasus
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Sounds like it’s best if I engage an attorney if I decide to proceed.
Yes
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There are what appears to be equipment right of ways between the tracts.
"Appear" via visual inspection or are you talking Onx? Either way someone needs to research the title. You also need to realize that no matter what site you are using (onx or tax assessor), the property lines will not be exact on the satellite map. Expect a discrepancy.
Is this property even listed for sale? Have you talked to the owner or agent about access?
Posted on 7/23/25 at 3:49 pm to Huntinguy
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You need a knowledgeable attorney and/or a GOOD real estate agent.
"OR"????? No real estate agent is going to be able to give you an opinion on access.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:47 pm to TigerDeacon
A good agent, knowledgeable with the area, would be a decent start. May be better than jumping straight to a for-fee attorney.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 6:38 am to TigerDeacon
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"Appear" via visual inspection or are you talking Onx?
Visual. I drove my truck to the property I’m looking at.
It’s for sale and I’ve contacted an agent.
I’ll close through title company so I would hope they would run all of the checks. I won’t be getting a loan.
I don’t have any experience with rural RE purchases, so I thought I’d probe this board for any traps that the agent / title company could miss.
I also wanted to understand a little more about “Landlocked owner must compensate neighbor”. A few comments have stated that it means to help repair the road. My search didn’t clarify that so I’d be curious to know what “compensate” actually means.
I was also curious about the Ag exemption. Appraisal district says it’s Ag III
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 8:22 am
Posted on 7/24/25 at 9:10 am to JCPegasus
I've been handling title work for 25 years in a few months.
Appearances can be very deceiving. Perhaps the other people have permission and you may not. Or, the property may not in fact be land locked. There may be a recorded right of way.
Does that right of way allow you to maintain the roadway so you can actually use it if it gets rutted up? There may be an easement by prescription but if so what kind of traffic has that prescription created? (i.e. someone has hunted cross the land to periodically hunt vs. someone who drives on it every day). If it qualifies for prescription, has that actually been rendered in a judgment? Will that allow you to put utilities in? Are there restrictions on the property? Does someone else have a right of way across the property you are buying?
In no way can a real estate agent provide you with these answers. The seller may not in fact know. So, yes, you need to close through a title company and you need to buy title insurance because there are things a title attorney would miss or can't be discoverable by the parish records.
These are just some of the questions that need answers and it may already be completely taken care of by prior owners. But you can't know until someone searches the parish records.
Appearances can be very deceiving. Perhaps the other people have permission and you may not. Or, the property may not in fact be land locked. There may be a recorded right of way.
Does that right of way allow you to maintain the roadway so you can actually use it if it gets rutted up? There may be an easement by prescription but if so what kind of traffic has that prescription created? (i.e. someone has hunted cross the land to periodically hunt vs. someone who drives on it every day). If it qualifies for prescription, has that actually been rendered in a judgment? Will that allow you to put utilities in? Are there restrictions on the property? Does someone else have a right of way across the property you are buying?
In no way can a real estate agent provide you with these answers. The seller may not in fact know. So, yes, you need to close through a title company and you need to buy title insurance because there are things a title attorney would miss or can't be discoverable by the parish records.
These are just some of the questions that need answers and it may already be completely taken care of by prior owners. But you can't know until someone searches the parish records.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:11 pm to TigerDeacon
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TigerDeacon
This is great feedback. I appreciate it.
I would be curious to know if I would need to seek out an attorney separate from the title attorney provided through the title company.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:54 pm to JCPegasus
The title attorney probably owns the title company. You can get another attorney but that would probably be unnecessary. I would just call them before the closing and ask all the questions you've asked here.
It can't be stressed enough, buy the owner's policy of title insurance. It will cover you if the attorney messes up or if it is something that can't be discovered.
It can't be stressed enough, buy the owner's policy of title insurance. It will cover you if the attorney messes up or if it is something that can't be discovered.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 5:47 pm to TigerDeacon
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"OR"????? No real estate agent is going to be able to give you an opinion on access.
You are absolutely correct. My wording was sloppy. A GOOD agent will tell you that you need a good title attorney.
Not trying to practice law here.
OP, TigerDeacon is giving you really sound advice.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 7/25/25 at 8:28 am to TigerDeacon
Some good advice in here and some no so good. I have purchased several tracts of rural land over the last 5 years. Some of these tracts had zero deeded access. One tract was a couple miles from the nearest road. Things I can say for sure.
1. You can purchase land with zero legal access in Louisiana.
2. While there are rules around adjoining land owners having to provide access, most judges do not favor someone if they purchased land with no access. If you knew that, that is your issue. They have to provide access to get minerals or timber out every 10-15 years and you are responsible for the cost or damage to the property. But they DO NOT have to provide you access recreationally
3. Land banks will finance land with zero access. But of course, the value is very diminished.
4. If you are seriously considering purchasing the land, talk with the landowner of the tract with what you refer to as a "right of way". See if you can purchase legal deeded access across that property to get to the new property. This will immediately increase the value of the property you are purchasing.
5. Good title work is essential and communication with the current landowner and adjacent landowners is the best remedy before buying. They may tell you the reasons none of them want to buy it. Maybe there is an old oil well on the site and the environmental clean up will be very expensive. Maybe someone dumped garbage on the site for 20 years before the trees grew up. Historical knowledge is great to have.
1. You can purchase land with zero legal access in Louisiana.
2. While there are rules around adjoining land owners having to provide access, most judges do not favor someone if they purchased land with no access. If you knew that, that is your issue. They have to provide access to get minerals or timber out every 10-15 years and you are responsible for the cost or damage to the property. But they DO NOT have to provide you access recreationally
3. Land banks will finance land with zero access. But of course, the value is very diminished.
4. If you are seriously considering purchasing the land, talk with the landowner of the tract with what you refer to as a "right of way". See if you can purchase legal deeded access across that property to get to the new property. This will immediately increase the value of the property you are purchasing.
5. Good title work is essential and communication with the current landowner and adjacent landowners is the best remedy before buying. They may tell you the reasons none of them want to buy it. Maybe there is an old oil well on the site and the environmental clean up will be very expensive. Maybe someone dumped garbage on the site for 20 years before the trees grew up. Historical knowledge is great to have.
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:15 pm to nogoodjr
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But they DO NOT have to provide you access recreationally
Thank you for the feedback. Any information available to the public that states this?
Posted on 7/26/25 at 1:59 pm to JCPegasus
Listen, this is just my opinion as a land owner and long time lease holder of landlocked hunting land. It doesn’t matter. Whether they are required by law to grant you access or not… IF you take them to court to force the issue, win or lose, you are making your life as a small landowner miserable.
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 7/28/25 at 3:46 pm to turkish
Turkish said it well. Make a deal with the adjoining landowner or work it out BEFORE you purchase. Any court case will cost you all a lot of money and nobody will be happy with the result.
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