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re: Pretty cool pictures from Lake Ouachita of a harmless snake.

Posted on 9/4/22 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6832 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 1:04 pm to
Water snake, non-venomous. Man for being outdoorsmen you guys sure don't know much about the outdoors.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37903 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

Water snake, non-venomous



No, it's a cotton mouth, but "venomous" has such a horrible, negative connotation. People assume it's inherently dangerous, which it's not. Let's stray away from labels please.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7155 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 6:35 pm to
Pic is too blurry to be 100% sure, but the body type and heavily keeled scales look cottonmouthy to me.

The heavy rain has really messed with my little creek. Instead of shallow calm water, it’s now above my boots and has rapids. Had to walk an hour the other day to find just one cottonmouth. It was one of the biggest I’ve caught here though, and it was ready to shed.






This post was edited on 9/4/22 at 6:38 pm
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5156 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 7:29 pm to
quote:

Pic is too blurry to be 100% sure, but the body type and heavily keeled scales look cottonmouthy to me.


Are there some pics I am not seeing? I see three pictures in the OP and they are all clearly cottonmouth
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7155 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 8:21 pm to
In the first pic, it kind of looks like a round pupil, but the pic is blurry. What looks like the eye with a round pupil might actually be that little “shelf” that overhangs the eye on a cottonmouth, but the angle/shadows/blurriness make it look like an eye/pupil. Likewise, cottonmouths generally have a distinct eye stripe (wide, dark stripe right behind eye). Hard to tell if it’s there in that pic. I hate making positive IDs on blurry pics. But without overanalyzing blurry details, at a glance that certainly looks like a cottonmouth. If those pics were all I had to go on though, I’m definitely pinning it before I grab its head.

ETA: If I cover that one tiny part of the first pic that looks like an eyeball, all of the pics scream “cottonmouth”.
This post was edited on 9/4/22 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Frosty86
Member since Nov 2019
200 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 8:28 pm to
I agree. Other than the first picture I’d definitely say ole stump tail. But that first pic I see round pupils. Maybe I’ve have too many cold ones.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5156 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 8:36 pm to
They are all pics of the same snake.
Here are more pics of it. Look at that belly pattern

LINK
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5156 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 9:08 pm to
Now I do see how you could make it look like a round pupil. But it’s The way the sun is hitting that shiny scale Look behind that and you can make out the cat eye

And a watersnake would have labial bars
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7155 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 9:34 pm to
Yeah, looking at all the pics it’s 100% cottonmouth. I’ve never liked the “labial bars rule” for water snakes for inexperienced people, because I’ve caught too many cottons with patterns around the mouth that someone might mistake for labial bars - such as this one…
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
5820 posts
Posted on 9/4/22 at 10:34 pm to
Giant triangular head, cotton mouth. Dead it.
Posted by Frosty86
Member since Nov 2019
200 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:36 am to
I can see clearly now.
I was wrong. Y’all were right.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7815 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 10:32 am to
100% water moccasin. You can clearly see the venom glands in the head and the band across his face. Anyone that thinks it's water snake does not know their snakes.
Posted by Potchafa
Avoyelles
Member since Jul 2016
3292 posts
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:11 am to
I can smell that fricker from here!
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