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re: Official AR-15 thread
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:38 pm to uway
Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:38 pm to uway
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Can somebody give me a quick rundown of why not to get a 14.5 with permanent flash hider instead of the 16"?
First - all other things being equal, shorter the barrel, the more unforgiving the recoil. Second, you're also sacrificing a little time in the barrel, so the terminal performance of some rounds is going to be affected. As others have mentioned, you're also stuck with the permanently pinned muzzle device if you go 14.5 and then NOT SBR the rifle.
I would recommend if you are sold on the 14.5 - go the NFA route and SBR the build. You're not as limited and are free to experiment with gas system lengths, each one (if you want) of dozens of muzzle devices and have the ultimate SBR toy. If your only real reason you're going 14.5 and 1.5 is to stay out of the NFA/SBR circus, I think you're ultimately going to be unsatisfied.
"Buy once, cry once," otherwise.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 2:39 pm
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 2:56 pm to Ace Midnight
One thing to consider if you do SBR a rifle is that you can not transport across state lines without filing a 5320 form. Not sure how long it takes to get it back from them as I haven't done it yet but it does add another element to consider.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:06 pm to bbvdd
I may be wrong, but I think you can transfer it across lines as long as you filed the form. You don't have to get the form back before you go across lines. I don't know if that is correct or not, but I thought I read that a while back when I did the SBR research.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:14 pm to jdavid1
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I don't know if that is correct or not, but I thought I read that a while back when I did the SBR research.
Maybe, I haven't researched it enough yet. I have an SBR in .300 suppressed. It is ridiculously fun to shoot. My 9 year old absolutely loves it.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:17 pm to bbvdd
I just looked it up, and it seems you have to have the approved 5320.20 paperwork before you can go across state lines. It takes 2-3 weeks to get back from the ATF after filing. It ONLY applies to SBRs, DDs, SBS, and machine guns. Suppressors are not required to file to cross state lines.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:21 pm to jdavid1
I just recently filed a bunch of form 20s. Took about 4-5 weeks to get it back. On the plus side you can fill out multiple form 20s for different states and you can put the date range as a year so you are legal to bring it to those states for a year before you have to re-file the form 20.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 3:22 pm to jdavid1
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Suppressors are not required to file to cross state lines.
This part I did know as my little man took his 1st deer a few weeks ago with the suppressor on another gun in another state.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 4:30 pm to 03GeeTee
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On the plus side you can fill out multiple form 20s for different states and you can put the date range as a year so you are legal to bring it to those states for a year before you have to re-file the form 20.
How does this work in the context of an NFA trust? Can the trust do blanket form 20s for multiple devices to cover the year in November/December to cover everything for commonly expected situations for the upcoming year? I'm all for solving problems.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 5:09 pm to Ace Midnight
You should look at the a5 system, it is supposedly more reliable than the normal carbine buffer system and reduced felt recoil. I have one on my 16" BCM upper, have never had an issue.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 5:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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How does this work in the context of an NFA trust? Can the trust do blanket form 20s for multiple devices to cover the year in November/December to cover everything for commonly expected situations for the upcoming year? I'm all for solving problems.
From looking at the form it's weapon specific and not individual/trust.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 6:20 pm to burgeman
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You should look at the a5 system, it is supposedly more reliable than the normal carbine buffer system and reduced felt recoil.
What weight are you running?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 6:44 pm to Ace Midnight
What's the boards opinion of the PSA freedom kit with the 16" stainless barrel?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 9:22 am to Ace Midnight
Yes. I have 2 SBRs on my trust currently and I did 3 form 20s (one for each state I will be shooting them in). I entered the date range from 11/20/2015 to 11/19/2016. You can put multiple SBR/SBS/AOW/MGs on each form 20 so you just need one for each state.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 9:53 am to 03GeeTee
I defer to the thread's wisdom - I'm doing a scratch build (at least the lower will be completely from scratch) - I'm an obsessive researcher and this thing - for budgetary reasons - will likely not get completed until the summer.
Is there any value to a separate thread, with pics, showing all the steps, and I'll bump it occasionally? Or will I just be talking to myself? Videos tend to have more value for things like this, but I'm not doing a youtube account just for that.
But, if there is interest, I can do an assembly/pic thread.
Is there any value to a separate thread, with pics, showing all the steps, and I'll bump it occasionally? Or will I just be talking to myself? Videos tend to have more value for things like this, but I'm not doing a youtube account just for that.
But, if there is interest, I can do an assembly/pic thread.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 10:04 am to Ace Midnight
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Is there any value to a separate thread
I think so. There are so many questions on this board about building and things can get lost in this thread. If you do it right, RA for a sticky or get it added to the OB FAQ.
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Ace Midnight
Don't forget the clevis pin trick when building your lower.
You can pick one up at any hardware store for a buck.
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:52 pm to northern
I'm looking to pickup a couple PMAGs, the M3 with window. What's a good price I should look to pay for these?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 1:00 pm to reds on reds on reds
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I'm looking to pickup a couple PMAGs, the M3 with window. What's a good price I should look to pay for these?
I just saw some on the shelf at Academy, today, for under $18. If you shop around, I think you can find them for $14 or $15, delivered, if you buy bulk. That $18 isn't a bad price for 1 or 2, but it isn't great, either.
(ETA: Just checked a couple of places - the places that tend to sell them cheap are out of stock. Midway has them for $17.05, but by the time you pay shipping, would have been better to go to Academy - if your store has a couple.)
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 12/21/15 at 10:56 am to Ace Midnight
Anyone have a Velocity trigger? Would you buy again?
What pull? Would you go curved or straight?
I'm leaning towards this value trigger in 3 pounds with the curved blade. I initially went into this wanting an upgrade from a military carbine. I'm also leaning towards a heavy buffer, either Spikes or an A5 - I'm intrigued by the A5, the more I research it, as it offers rifle buffer reliability in a more compact package - although it does limit stock choices. I am building the lower "separate" from the upper, but at the same time leaning forward to anticipate what upper will be most commonly on the lower.
AND, I'm now thinking ahead to a lightweight, SBR build in 2017. So, I don't need this to be anything other than a "go to" all around shooter to complement my EA-15 (essentially an M16A2 without the burst switch).
What pull? Would you go curved or straight?
I'm leaning towards this value trigger in 3 pounds with the curved blade. I initially went into this wanting an upgrade from a military carbine. I'm also leaning towards a heavy buffer, either Spikes or an A5 - I'm intrigued by the A5, the more I research it, as it offers rifle buffer reliability in a more compact package - although it does limit stock choices. I am building the lower "separate" from the upper, but at the same time leaning forward to anticipate what upper will be most commonly on the lower.
AND, I'm now thinking ahead to a lightweight, SBR build in 2017. So, I don't need this to be anything other than a "go to" all around shooter to complement my EA-15 (essentially an M16A2 without the burst switch).
Posted on 12/21/15 at 9:16 pm to Ace Midnight
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Anyone have a Velocity trigger? Would you buy again?
I have one in my M&P @ 2.5lb. I just picked up a cheap Bushmaster (which I'm about to make a post about) and it will be getting one as well.
The guy who started Velocity, Tom Vehr, was the designer for Timney (which you probably know from researchng Velocity). He left and started his own company because he didn't agree with Timney's pricing model.
I had taken my gun to the guy that does all my work to put on a new handguard and was talking about wanting to put a Timney trigger in at some point. He told me about Velocity (which he stocked) and the backstory and said he would put it in while he had my rifle for $150. It was hard to say no to that, and I'm glad I didn't.
Now, I don't put thousands of rounds down range on a daily basis, but I have done my fair share of shooting. My dad has a Ruger AR556 with a Timney (pretty sure its 3lb) and I just can not see why I would ever pay more for the Timney. I have seen the Velocity go for $135 online pretty often.
ETA: Curved, for sure. But, that's completely personal preference.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 9:18 pm
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