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No visqueen under carport slab

Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Lsutmorg
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:52 pm
I am remodeling house that does not have visqueen under carport and porch slabs. The concrete is wet most of the time do to sweating. Is there any type of sealant I can put down to prevent it from sweating?
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:00 pm to
Are you trying to close in the carport or something? Or just don't like the moisture?
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:12 pm to
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does not have visqueen under carport and porch slabs
How do you know this?

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The concrete is wet most of the time do to sweating
This will happen no matter what due to temperature difference and moist air.
Posted by Lsutmorg
Member since Jun 2015
324 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:12 pm to
Just don't like moisture
Posted by Lsutmorg
Member since Jun 2015
324 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:14 pm to
On the back porch I poured to new slabs connecting the older slab together with the newer two. They are always dry and older slab is wet.
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:17 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81642 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:18 pm to
Something else is going on.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:19 pm to
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under carport
Sweaty slab syndrome.
Posted by Chris4x4gill2
North Alabama
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:00 pm to
Yes, a concrete sealer will help stop moisture from wicking through the slab,

I wouldn't think its a condensation issue if its an open carport. usually garages have condesate after you open a door to warmer outside air
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:03 pm to
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I wouldn't think its a condensation issue if its an open carport
It absolutely is. I have had an open car port my entire life. Always gets wet in winter when the ground is cold and you get warm moist air. The driveway on one side and the open porch on the back side are dry. Fish bite when that happens as well.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:04 pm to
my back patio under roof line is often wet from condensation during this time of year. No idea how this relates to OP's issue.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:16 pm to
Exactly.
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:22 pm to
No suggestion on the surface treatment to prevent it, but heavy condensation on concrete is directly related to no visqueen under the concrete. That is exactly why it is called a "vapor barrier".
Not saying that they would not have moisture at all, but it would be much less if plastic had been used. On high humidity days my barn and porches are wet like it's been raining.

Most builders only use it on the conditioned space. It may cost $50 more to do the porches.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81642 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:33 pm to
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but heavy condensation on concrete is directly related to no visqueen under the concrete.
Nope

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On high humidity days my barn and porches are wet like it's been raining.
It's a surface issue. The surface has no idea whether or not there's visqueen under there.
Posted by JoePepitone
Waffle House #1494
Member since Feb 2014
10581 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:37 pm to
My carport has a very smooth finish and it sweats something horrible when conditions are right. My front porch has a rougher finish and doesn’t sweat anything close to the carport.
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37760 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:41 pm to
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It's a surface issue. The surface has no idea whether or not there's visqueen under there



That is simply false. It’s called a vapor barrier and they work to prevent moisture from passing thru the concrete from underneath the slab. A slab with no vapor barrier will sweat immensely more than one with one.
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
6007 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:46 pm to
You may be correct, but the humidity level here in connection with temps that hover around the dew point will make a silica gel pack moist.
Posted by JoePepitone
Waffle House #1494
Member since Feb 2014
10581 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:47 pm to
I asked a very experienced builder whose opinion I respect about my carport sweating so badly. His immediate response was there is no vapor barrier underneath.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81642 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:47 pm to
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That is simply false. It’s called a vapor barrier and they work to prevent moisture from passing thru the concrete from underneath the slab. A slab with no vapor barrier will sweat immensely more than one with one.
It's not. There's two different mechanisms. The barrier one does exist, but it's not what's going on in most circumstances. It's something that has been passed along like a bad wive's tale all over the South.

Moisture from a lack of vapor barrier is diffusion. Surface condensation is exaclty like what happens to a cold drink can in warm humid weather. What goes on for most people under a carport is surface condensation. It will happen in winter once the ground is cold and we start getting warm moist air masses. You can test to see which you have.

Read here.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81642 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:50 pm to
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when conditions are right.
That points to surface condensation. Think about it. Why would certain conditions lead to more diffusion? What would be pulling the moisture up?

Answer, it's not.

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Basically, everything that cools at night experiences sweating slab syndrome. Moisture as you would guess is the underlying cause of such sweating. This usually happens when concrete slabs and the other materials that sweat reach dew point temperature. Usually, warm, moist air enters the structure through the several openings (windows, doorways, and vents) and as the air diffuses throughout the structure it condenses on any surface that is at or below the dew point temperature.


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