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re: No Till Drill Planting

Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:40 pm to
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11668 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:40 pm to
Grant Woods says to not go cold turkey on herbicide and actually recommends discing in the first year SOMETIMES depending on the condition of the soil to start.

Year 1: 100% herbicide
2: 75%
3: 50%
4: 25%
5: 0%
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5969 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 6:13 am to
Grant woods knows far more than me but we aren't following that system we went cold turkey no fertilizer, no herbicides and absolutely no breaking up the soil except with a NT drill.

I think there are many ways to do it and likely none of them wrong. For us we looked at fertilizer, it's full of salt which isn't good for our microbes and generally fertilizer makes the microbial system slower and lazier as they don't have to work within the rhizosphere as much to get the food the need from root exudates. Since we aren't commercially selling our crops and we aren't worried about yield we opted for cold turkey.

I would be very curious to see how each of ours do in three years. I think it's the absolute way to go make the land we care for better.
Posted by PetroAg
Member since Jun 2013
1871 posts
Posted on 10/11/24 at 8:44 pm to
Thats a generous offer. We live in Texas, but our hunting land is central Louisiana.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11668 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 9:42 am to
Yeah every piece of property is different. We had so many weeds we fell into his taper down prescription (by my measure). Mostly grasses and those are a pain. You won’t grow anything with so much grass in the seedbed.

We burned those grassy plots yesterday with fire. Burned down with Buccaneer three weeks ago
Posted by Scoobs
Member since Jul 2010
255 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 12:22 pm to
LandPride makes an all purpose seeder, the APS1572; how do you think that will perform without discing first? I picked one up at an auction recently to do our food plots and to plant natives.

We've always disced then broadcast, but we want better results.
Posted by Bayou Ken
Member since Sep 2018
164 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 1:50 pm to
I purchased a Genesis 5 last fall. I planted Hunt Stratton Legacy Blend in the fall. In May, I sprayed and then planted Heritage Blend with great results. I was planning on drilling through the standing crop in October. However, Hogs knocked down much of the Milo, millet and sorghum leaving too much debris to drill through. I plan on burning my 8 plots this week before I plant. I’ve gotten away from disking as well and have seen improvement in my soil quality.
Posted by Out da box
Member since Feb 2018
720 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 3:42 pm to
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No till better in all ways. Been using for 10 years. Add a roller crimper and you can reduce fertilizer costs.
If you have a mulch bed in your landscape, a roller crimper accomplishes the same thing…that i, building soil and retaining moisture.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
23201 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 5:39 pm to
discing is still better longterm.....super easy and effective
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
6903 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 6:14 pm to
What would be the difference in using a crimper vs a flail mower? The flail mulches up far more than a bush hog type cutter
Posted by Da Hammer
Folsom
Member since May 2008
5969 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 6:42 pm to
A crimper is superior in mulch capabilities. Killing the plant whole allows more nutrients to “backtrack” into the soil and provides more food to the microbes in the soil. This also allows for a better organic mulch layer which feeds the microbes in the dirt better. However a crimper only has one job a flail mower can have several so for some it may make sense and you need to go with what you have!
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2259 posts
Posted on 10/12/24 at 6:48 pm to
Nothing. You may save some diesel. Flail mower also allows you to drill in any direction afterward too. Flail mowers aren’t cheap… but I’ve been shocked by crimper prices, too.
This post was edited on 10/12/24 at 6:52 pm
Posted by Out da box
Member since Feb 2018
720 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 3:31 pm to
You don’t want it overly mulched… keeping it intact makes it more like your flowerbed.
1-retains moisture
2- suppress weeds
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
10341 posts
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

For us we looked at fertilizer, it's full of salt which isn't good for our microbes and generally fertilizer makes the microbial system slower and lazier as they don't have to work within the rhizosphere as much to get the food the need from root exudates. Since we aren't commercially selling our crops and we aren't worried about yield we opted for cold turkey.


No doubt you can put out too much fertilize but 99% of the time people do not put out enough fertilize. Growing deer is like growing cows when you are in the cattle business you are really in the forage business. Take care of the forage and you will have good production. You have to use fertilize to maximize forage. Even if you are in an are with Chernozem soil you should use fertilize. Nutrients in the soil translates to nutrients in the deer which translates to antler growth.
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