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re: No Shooting Does on Food Plot Rule
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:17 pm to geaux_fish
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:17 pm to geaux_fish
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what is the difference between shooting a doe before or after the rut? I
Not all does will get bred
if you eliminate a doe from the pool before the breeding begins then a different doe will get bred.
if you have two does walk out on you on Jan. 15th and you decide to take one, what if you shoot the one that is bred and the other one walks off.
you have effectively eliminated probably 3 deer (mother and 2 fawns) from next years herd
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Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:19 pm to Chad504boy
pretty good read on it
Doesn't really matter where they're shot, but bow season and early gun season is the time to do it. The article explains that killing your doe quota early will help you see more bucks by dropping the ratio. Also I can agree with everyone else and say that deer don't give a shite what happened in a food plot for the most part. I've seen two mature bucks killed on the same day in the same plot in a morning and evening. All that matters is forcing them to search for their pussy, but factor in what your neighbors are doing. It'll be a balance between making the bucks work for it on your land and pushing them to someone else's.
Doesn't really matter where they're shot, but bow season and early gun season is the time to do it. The article explains that killing your doe quota early will help you see more bucks by dropping the ratio. Also I can agree with everyone else and say that deer don't give a shite what happened in a food plot for the most part. I've seen two mature bucks killed on the same day in the same plot in a morning and evening. All that matters is forcing them to search for their pussy, but factor in what your neighbors are doing. It'll be a balance between making the bucks work for it on your land and pushing them to someone else's.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:25 pm to mylsuhat
There is no way of knowing if a doe has been bred unless you can capture them and check for yourself. Whether a doe has been bred or not is directly related to your deer density and buck/doe ratio. The only advantage I have found with killing does early is that it may make bucks move around more to find a receptive doe.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:27 pm to geaux_fish
quote:which is why you shouldn't shoot them after the rut
There is no way of knowing if a doe has been bred
quote:which can be taken care of before the rut
. Whether a doe has been bred or not is directly related to your deer density and buck/doe ratio
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:31 pm to mylsuhat
I agree with you but i wanted to hear your reasoning. I have heard some rediculous reasons as far as when and why to kill a deer. We usually don't kill does in areas that we will be buck hunting at. I think the more pressure on an area, the less likely a buck will be comfortable coming around.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:39 pm to Chad504boy
It will work but you have to be consistent. I was a part of a group that did the no doe thing after Dec 15. The flip side was that a certain members guests kids could shoot does. Then poor little Johnny hasn't killed a deer so lets let him shoot a doe. It just needs to be consistent if you want buy in from the club.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:47 pm to mylsuhat
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if you eliminate a doe from the pool before the breeding begins then a different doe will get bred.
If your buck to doe ratio isn't way out off every doe will be bred. Our buck doe ratio isn't ideal and we still have over a 80% lactation rate in 1.5+ year old doe.
If a doe isn't bred when she comes in she will be back in heat in roughly 4 weeks.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:52 pm to geaux_fish
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We usually don't kill does in areas that we will be buck hunting at. I think the more pressure on an area, the less likely a buck will be comfortable coming around.
It's your land, but that seems a little backwards. As long as you're not raising hell in the woods or mudriding at all hours taking a few does isn't going to bother them that much. Seems like you're just making it easier for them to find the does by leaving the ones close to where the buck is already ranging.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:54 pm to Chad504boy
We have a wildlife biologist come talk to us at camp every year. I asked him this very question and he said it didn't matter for the most part. He did however recommend shooting the does as early as possible because a doe eats the equivalent of a 5 gallon bucket of browse every day. Do the math...if your doe quota is 10 and you shoot them in early January as opposed to early November that is 300 buckets of browse over 60 days the other deer couldn't eat. This alone should tell you to shoot the does as early as you can so the remaining herd will have more to eat and thus be a healthier herd all the way around. BTW, our does quota is 40, so that is 1,200 buckets of browse.
This post was edited on 1/9/13 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/9/13 at 12:57 pm to bpinson
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:00 pm to bpinson
I couldn't agree with the statement about browse more. I got into an argument last year because the guys never want to kill does until the last weekend and complain how low the grass is in the plots.
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:05 pm to Chad504boy
Sounds like a dumb rule
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:08 pm to Boats n Hose
Rules in general are dumb
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:12 pm to bpinson
quote:
We have a wildlife biologist come talk to us at camp every year. I asked him this very question and he said it didn't matter for the most part. He did however recommend shooting the does as early as possible because a doe eats the equivalent of a 5 gallon bucket of browse every day. Do the math...if your doe quota is 10 and you shoot them in early January as opposed to early November that is 300 buckets of browse over 60 days the other deer couldn't eat. This alone should tell you to shoot the does as early as you can so the remaining herd will have more to eat and thus be a healthier herd all the wary around.
I agree its better to kill most of your doe early, not only to increase the available food for the herd, but also to create more competition by bucks during the rut. My point was that if you still need meat for the freezer there is no harm, from a biological standpoint, in killing doe in post rut
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:13 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
But sometimes without the dumb rules people will be really really dumb.
You can pretty much be a functioning tard and get into a hunting club. Actually I think a lot of hunting club members end up being functioning retards, seems like, based on the complaints you hear about them in general
You can pretty much be a functioning tard and get into a hunting club. Actually I think a lot of hunting club members end up being functioning retards, seems like, based on the complaints you hear about them in general
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:21 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
Rules in general are dumb
this
If you hunt with a good group, you don't need this shite
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:30 pm to bpinson
I would like to hear some of your thoughts on this one. This was new to me and i never really thought about it this way. Only shoot doe fawns. Within your "quota". Rationale - mature doe will produce twins and triplets where a 1.5 year old doe is less likely to have twins. Also, mature doe will be the first bred and the yearlings will be bred late therefore they will deliver late. Talked to a buddy whose club started this a few years ago and they seem to think they have seen an increase in their herd. Challenge is being dang sure its a doe fawn and not a button buck. Anybody seen this in practice anywhere else?
Posted on 1/9/13 at 1:32 pm to hardhead
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good group
Hard to come by. Hopefully I'll have one someday, my brothers and I all get along well with this sort of stuff, we're gonna try to get some property together somewhere later down the road
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:10 pm to geaux_fish
quote:not one thing. Hat is crazy on this one
what is the difference between shooting a doe before or after the rut
Posted on 1/9/13 at 2:15 pm to AlxTgr
quote:I just rather shoot a doe I know is not pregnant. Personal preference
not one thing. Hat is crazy on this one
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