re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help

That Canik looks awesome.

Get a Mossberg 88 shotgun, 12g or 20g if you want less recoil. Buy a case of 00 buckshot. Buy a Ruger 10/22. Buy 2 30 round magazines for it and tape them together on opposite ends. Buy 5000 rounds of 22's. Buy a scope for it if you like. Buy a cheap 9MM that will fit in your pocket that has a good safety. Buy some cheap 9MM ammo.

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They are ugly, but hard to find something more accurate for the price, or even four times the price.

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“A bullet fired from a $205 Hi-Point goes just as fast as it does from a $2,000 pistol. And, the same goes for practical accuracy; no difference. Actually we have found the Hi-Point to out shoot many of the much more expensive pistols.Yes, ya gotta step up to a couple of grand or more if you need one-inch groups at 50 yards, but then you won't be carrying that pretty little puppy with you in the pickup or anywhere else it might get a scratch. But if you can tolerate a handgun that gives you two inches at 50 feet – which covers most $1,000 guns, too – then a $205 Hi-Point will fit the bill (and how many of us can shoot that accurately without the bench anyway?).”

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This is a farce. In a vise I’m sure the gun is fine. The triggers are terrible which is a direct factor to the accuracy of a gun.