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pmacattack
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
Several M&P 2.0 models in stock here.

This site does free shipping also I think


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DeoreDX
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
I would suggest a full sized high capacity 9mm semi auto. In the $500-600 range you can get a very nice pistol from any of the major manufacturers. S&W, Glock, Sig, Beretta, Springfield, Ruger, Walther. Each one feels a little different in hand so the suggestion is to go touch and feel than and see which one feels the most comfortable to you. Probably the biggest differentiator between the various full size 9mm's will be how they operate. "Old school" is hammer fired Double action/single (DA/SA) action and more modern Striker fired. The striker fired will have a very consistent and light trigger pull on every shot. A DA/SA will have a very heavy first trigger pull as the first pull cocks the gun then each subsequent pull is light after the gun cycles after each shot cocking the gun between shots. There are lots of advantages to striker fired guns but for a new shooter they might be more comfortable with a hammer fired DA/SA gun as it's easier to see the condition of the gun. And you can "decock" a hammer fired gun. I would suggest handling both types to see which one you prefer.

If you want a lower budget in the $300 range you get two options. The "lower end" or off brand guns or used older guns. The "Low end" can be very reliable they are perhaps just missing features or maybe aren't as smooth or nice. Ruger and S&W both make inexpensive $300 9mm's. Canik is a very popular brand in this price range and you will find pleny of people on this board who own and love Canik pistols.

Used you will find police and military trade often in this price range. You can also pick up old all steel "Wonder Nines' from the 90's in this range too. Beretta 92's. Old Stars. Tangfolios, EAA, Smith Model 59's, etc.


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deeprig9
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
Buy as many as you can before marriage because your gun budget is about to evaporate.

Marriage has done more to hurt the 2A than the democrats have.


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deeprig9
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
Is it true the easier to rack slides have more recoil than the stiffer slides because the stiffer slides absorb more energy?


bbvdd
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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Is it true the easier to rack slides have more recoil than the stiffer slides because the stiffer slides absorb more energy?




Depends on the gun. if the slide is heavy a lighter spring can be used and there will be no noticeable increase in recoil and it should be less.

You're asking about the S&W shield EZ. I haven't messed with that gun so I can't answer your question. I'd like to take a look at the design of the spring and see how and when it takes the recoil.


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TigerstuckinMS
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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Is it true the easier to rack slides have more recoil than the stiffer slides because the stiffer slides absorb more energy?
Not necessarily. Recoil is a complex phenomenon, so your best bet is to go and shoot several pistols to see how they feel. Some pistols are snappier, others have more of a "push" to their recoil. Everything about the design of the pistol adds up to how it recoils.
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Mid Iowa Tiger
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
How often will you practice with it?

Are you wanting to conceal carry it or just have it around the house?

Are there kids in your house?

Are you married and does your husband need to shoot it?

There are too many variables for anyone to make a good informed recommendation.

Answer those and I can make a high level suggestion.


TexasTiger08
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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How often will you practice with it?

Are you wanting to conceal carry it or just have it around the house?

Are there kids in your house?

Are you married and does your husband need to shoot it?

There are too many variables for anyone to make a good informed recommendation.

Answer those and I can make a high level suggestion.


I addressed some of these in the OP.

I’ll make time to practice as much as I need to in order to be comfortable with the weapon. No need to get conceal carry right now. No kids. I am the husband. Wife has her own gun.


mrgreenpants
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
yes, it is striker fired.....and it is not american made (made in turkey)
but if on a budget, you'll find a tough time finding anything better than a Canik TP9SF...
it is proven reliable and has a nice trigger (i believe it is turkish government issue)

maybe even more importantly...it is available to ship this moment.


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This handgun is AWESOME! The Canik TP9SF is our budget-gun recommendation. Want to know a budget handgun that didn’t make the grade? Check out our SCCY 9mm Review.

No, I don’t think it can replace higher-end duty-level guns. But… for a budget firearm, the Canik TP9SF can serve as a great option and it punches way above its class.

This means that if I have a choice for a duty gun, I’ll personally pick a Glock, Sig, CZ, or H&K over the Canik. However, if I’m working with a budget or I want a gun that I don’t want to be too worried about abusing (ranch gun, truck gun, etc.) or if someone’s is looking for a first gun to just get started and they aren’t quite sure which gun that they’d really like to end up with, then the Canik is it!

The TP9 pistol from Canik is a polymer striker-fired gun. It is comfortable enough, the controls work, and it is SUPER reliable. However, where the Canik really shines is its awesome trigger!

The trigger on the TP9SF is so good, I think it is better than options available on higher-end guns. Seriously, out of the box, I think the trigger is as good as, or better than, stock H&K, CZ, and Glock triggers!
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BamaTiger00
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
Yep. I want to add a Canik TP9SF to my collection. Trying to decide between all black or tungsten/blk. Think I’m leaning tungsten right now...unless someone can convince me otherwise.


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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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I want something that would be simple enough to use with some practice, but something that will get the job done. And by that, I mean I need enough firepower.


AR-15

Not joking.


DeoreDX
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
Or High Point carbine in 10mm.


Ace Midnight
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Or High Point carbine in 10mm.



It's crazy how a company can have a particular reputation (which is well deserved, most of their pistols are Godawful), and make very good values in a narrow range of products.

They're like the anti-Ruger.
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WMTigerFAN
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
If you have trouble wracking a slide, try this instead:
Instead of trying to pull the slide back hold it steady and use your strong hand to push the lower. It's usually easier to maneuver.


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tenfoe
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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I’ve never been a gun owner, but this climate makes me feel the need to get 1...or 2. I don’t know the first thing about guns.



You can get a dependable pump shotgun and Dependable semi-automatic 9mm with 100lbs of ammo for less than $1k. Don’t overthink this.


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EA6B
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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which is well deserved, most of their pistols are Godawful)


They are ugly, but hard to find something more accurate for the price, or even four times the price.

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“A bullet fired from a $205 Hi-Point goes just as fast as it does from a $2,000 pistol. And, the same goes for practical accuracy; no difference. Actually we have found the Hi-Point to out shoot many of the much more expensive pistols.Yes, ya gotta step up to a couple of grand or more if you need one-inch groups at 50 yards, but then you won't be carrying that pretty little puppy with you in the pickup or anywhere else it might get a scratch. But if you can tolerate a handgun that gives you two inches at 50 feet – which covers most $1,000 guns, too – then a $205 Hi-Point will fit the bill (and how many of us can shoot that accurately without the bench anyway?).”
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Scoob
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
Longtime pistol owner, as well as some surplus rifles "for fun".

Recently got an AR, just barely got one ahead of what looks like a big wave of sellouts.

If you're unable to find an AR 15 in 556 (probably best rifle recommendation) in a timely/affordable manner, your next best bet could be a surplus SKS for a rifle. Palmetto State Armory and Classic Firearms both have some under $400, last I checked. It's a simple, sturdy and functional semiauto rifle with a 10 rd magazine, it's in 7.62x39 (an easy to find and cheap round). You won't be out-gunned as long as you have ammo, and load up a few extra stripper clips and you should be good to go. The design isn't as modern and sexy as an AR, but it's also a reliable weapon.
They're surplus and might look a little rough, but most clean up well. You won't be able to add accessories or optics, but iron sights have done the job for a long time.
Just note, it likely will come covered in cosmoline, a heavy preservative grease that you would need to clean off first.

To the guy that said start with a 22 and work your way up... now's not the time to give that advice. The world is legit getting crazy, it's not unusual for someone to want protection; and a 22 isn't the preferred choice.

Regarding handguns, everything is scarce and so is the ammo. Good luck on your hunt there.


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Breesus
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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May I recommend a Glock 45. The model not the caliber. Its a 9mm with a Glock 19 slide and Glock 17 frame. Kinda of best of both worlds.


Second this. I have the 19x which I absolutely love. As I understand it the 45 is just the black version. I have to say I’m loving the coyote color though.

Get a home defense shotgun as well. You can get a nice pump shotgun for cheap.

I haven’t read the whole thread but the best advice I give is to go to a local range that rents firearms. Shoot a few pistols and find one you’re comfortable with. It’s not a toy. It’s a tool. So get the best tool for you.

After you buy it watch some videos and field strip and clean it so you know what you’re doing.

Then shoot it until you don’t flinch anymore while pulling the trigger.

At a local range you should never feel embarrassed or nervous to ask for help or instruction.
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bapple
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help
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Is it true the easier to rack slides have more recoil than the stiffer slides because the stiffer slides absorb more energy?


Slides are easier to rack on full sized handguns and even easier on hammer-fired handguns. If you think back to physics class, if you can increase the length of a spring, it doesn't need as high of a "spring constant." To translate, the smaller the gun is and the shorter it's actuation, the stiffer it will have to be. So a gun like a full sized M&P9 versus a Shield 9 will show a considerable difference in spring weight.

There is some great advice in here, especially regarding training. That should be priority #1 if you don't have prior experience shooting.

In my 7 years of teaching concealed carry, I have yet to find a single person that can't handle some variation of full sized 9mm. That is the best first handgun for anyone. If you wish to carry concealed later, you can get a smaller gun to do so. But to build the fundamentals, practice practice practice with a full sized 9mm. If you want the wife to be able to handle it as well, just make sure you get one that doesn't have a grip too large for your wife's hands. If it's only for you, fit it for you.


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biglego
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re: Newb looking for a gun...asking for help




OP, I was in a similar situation. Grew up plinking with a .22 rifle (still have it) but that’s it. So I went out and bought a 9mm S&W for $300. I love it. I have long fingers and it fits my hand comfortably. Shoots a bullet.

I also bought a $180 small gun safe where I keep the pistol in a drawer in my nightstand. It’s fingerprint or code so no worries about my little kids finding the gun. The ammo that’s not in the gun safe is kept locked in a separate box in my closet.

I also bought a 12ga Winchester pump shotgun. It’s old school. I don’t have a gun safe for it so it just sits there unloaded in my closet, pretty useless. I like having it but it’s currently not doing me any good. It’s just not as convenient as a pistol for me.

So really, if you’re going to have kids around and want mainly for home protection, I think get a good pistol, plenty ammo, and a small safe to put it in where it can be quickly accessed. The gun and safe cost about $500 total.

I’d probably get a smaller pistol, maybe a revolver, if I start carrying but right now it’s just home defense.

A while back I made a post saying my Marlin .22lr would be sufficient for home defense. I got laughed at and rightly so. I live in a nice safe suburban area with little crime. But still, I’m amazed at how much more secure I feel just for having the 9mm at my bedside.

I do need to get a safe or something for the shotgun. If you get a shotgun, get a shorter barrel. Mine is too long and unwieldy.
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