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re: M18/P320 News
Posted on 8/2/25 at 2:33 pm to Barfunkle
Posted on 8/2/25 at 2:33 pm to Barfunkle
One needs to ask the question:
Why did ICE ever go away from the Glock 19 to begin with?
Asking for a friend who retired from ICE formerly US Customs and carried a Glock 19 the entire time an no issues along with thousands of other agents and no issues.
The MIC is undefeated with GRIFT.
Why did ICE ever go away from the Glock 19 to begin with?
Asking for a friend who retired from ICE formerly US Customs and carried a Glock 19 the entire time an no issues along with thousands of other agents and no issues.
The MIC is undefeated with GRIFT.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 2:37 pm to TheDeerHunter
Im no expert, but I think the govt put the contract out as a sole supplier of pistol, ammo, snd optic or something. Sig meets all those whereas other companies had to team up.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 2:48 pm to kengel2
You’re probably right on that.
Whoever in DHS made that a requirement - unlike 20 years prior - is in on the grift.
Whoever in DHS made that a requirement - unlike 20 years prior - is in on the grift.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 2:58 pm to TheDeerHunter
It's been the general trend in federal government procurement for a while now.
Make the spec for sole-source for the whole scope of supply for a single "modular" do-all solution to a bazillion problems in the name of "leveraging the agility and adaptability of the commercial market."
The end result is grossly overpriced stuff that doesn't excel at anything. The government wants commercial off the shelf stuff but refuses to act like a normal customer for the commercial market.
Make the spec for sole-source for the whole scope of supply for a single "modular" do-all solution to a bazillion problems in the name of "leveraging the agility and adaptability of the commercial market."
The end result is grossly overpriced stuff that doesn't excel at anything. The government wants commercial off the shelf stuff but refuses to act like a normal customer for the commercial market.
Posted on 8/2/25 at 11:55 pm to Bama and Beer
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SG, if you have the email that Sig sent, please post it
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P320 Information
P320 Safety Information
Recently, there have been a number of reports and claims regarding the safety of the P320 pistol and its use by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies. We understand you may have questions. We want to address your concerns and provide you with full, complete, and accurate information.
SIG SAUER has ALWAYS and will continue to put the safety and security of the U.S. Military, the law enforcement community, our consumers, and the public first. To this end, we want to be sure concerned citizens have access to complete facts.
The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world -meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels. In addition, the P320 has been rigorously tested, and is currently in use by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world.
FBI Testing and Report
A recently publicized internal report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) created some confusion and raised questions about the safety of the P320. The FBI prepared this report for the Michigan State Police after an officer was involved in an accidental discharge. SIG SAUER engineers met with the FBI and Michigan State Police on several occasions to review the report and the incident. Ultimately, the FBI conducted a more detailed, repeatable, and comprehensive battery of testing using compatible equipment. The subsequent testing resulted in zero instances of failures and the Michigan State Police are now confidently issuing officers P320 based pistols. The FBI BRF have yet to make any official claims or statements regarding the safety of the P320 pistol or any of its variants. However, we are urging the FBI BRF and FBI Director Kash Patel to release a full and complete testing and evaluation report on their updated P320 safety testing.
Department of Homeland Security
An internal memo from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/ U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was recently posted online stating the agency was halting its use of the P320. Many online media outlets immediately sought to attribute this to the above referenced FBI BRF report, which is incorrect. DHS has never raised any safety concerns about the P320 and ICE has since extended their existing contract with SIG SAUER another two years. Since DHS has yet to comment publicly correcting their improperly leaked memo, or any statements questioning the safety of the P320, we are now urging ICE to release all information on P320 testing. SIG SAUER is honored to continue aiding ICE in their mission to protect America.
U.S. Air Force M18
There was a recent tragic incident at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming which resulted in the death of an Airman. Because the incident involved the discharge of a (P320 based) M18 pistol, the Air Force is actively conducting an evaluation of M18 pistols within the specific Command where the incident happened. This cautionary step is standard procedure. We proactively offered assistance to the U.S. military as they investigate the incident. Contrary to several online reports, (P320 based) M17 and M18 pistols remain on active duty with all branches of the U.S. Military, including the U.S. Air Force, defending freedom around the world. We have absolute confidence in the U.S. Military’s ability to conduct a thorough investigation and report their findings. As we learn more information about the investigation, we will continue to provide updated information.
P320 Range and Training Bans
Following several of these inaccurate reports, a number of ranges, training providers, and training facilities made the reactionary decision to ban the P320 and its use in their facilities. We are actively working to provide these individuals with accurate information along with a detailed understanding of the P320 and its safety features. If you are impacted by a P320 range or a training provider ban, we urge you to reach out to SIG CUSTOMER SERVICE: 603-610-3000 Option 1 or send a message here so we can clarify any misinformation and provide the truth.
The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories. This video provides a detailed view into all of the various safety features of the P320 and provides a detailed explanation of how the safety system works; for further information on the P320 please visit here.
As with any gun, the P320 will discharge if the trigger is pulled to the rear. Accordingly, SIG SAUER continues to remind its customers, employees, and the public to employ all safe gun-handling practices as spelled out in detail in our product manuals. The SIG SAUER Academy remains a resource to customers, employees, and the public in offering various firearms safety courses.
We respect the public’s concern and are actively working to provide as much information as possible. We sincerely thank you for your continued support of SIG SAUER and urge anyone with additional questions or concerns regarding the P320 and/or safe firearms handling to reach out to our customer service team.
Posted on 8/7/25 at 7:18 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The end result is grossly overpriced stuff that doesn't excel at anything. The government wants commercial off the shelf stuff but refuses to act like a normal customer for the commercial market.
I had no idea until a few days ago that the Vortex optic for the new Sig rifle costs $12k per unit and they want to give it to every soldier. That’s on top of the $5k price tag of the rifle.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 2:12 pm to upgrayedd
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they want to give it to every soldier
Oh yea I bet they do. I wish I could give one of my widgets to every soldier and reserve soldier in the country.
I'm not opposed to every soldier having the best tool for his job but the reality is what he usually ends up with is something vastly more expensive and less useful than a normal commercial off the shelf item that already exists. It leads to tremendous waste.
Posted on 8/8/25 at 3:32 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Update to the story. The Air Force has arrested an Airman for giving false official statements, obstruction of justice, and involuntary manslaughter. No other details yet.
Airman Arrested for M18 Death
Airman Arrested for M18 Death
Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:00 pm to AFtigerFan
Well that is an interesting turn of events….
Posted on 8/8/25 at 4:14 pm to AFtigerFan
Dude on reddit, 2 weeks ago.
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The airman (pog arse SecFo dude) lied, he was playing around with it and shot his homie. The witnesses lied too.
He’s in jail now.
You heard it here first!
Posted on 8/8/25 at 5:18 pm to AFtigerFan
Interesting. Updating my post with this link.
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