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re: Low Light Scope Suggestion??
Posted on 1/2/25 at 6:25 am to tenfoe
Posted on 1/2/25 at 6:25 am to tenfoe
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The scope is not going to be the limiting factor on his success.
Agreed.
My scope with "trash" glass is just fine up till after shooting time in the woods. The only real advantage a different scope would offer would be an illuminated reticle.
We focus too much on light transmission and other features. The reticle is the most important thing for low light shooting IMO. My squirrel rifle scope, a fixed 4x pine ridge cheapo depot, would work fine if the reticle would be better.
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:29 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The reticle is the most important thing for low light shooting IMO.
I would agree that it is too often overlooked.
In todays scope world, the trend is towards "long range"/PRS and that produces thin reticles that are suited to those tasks. These thin reticles disappear at low light on living targets rather than painted steel. While illumination can overcome this, it's just one more thing to frick with. If I know the use case for a rifle is short range, woods, low light, then I want a simple reticle with heavy enough bars that I can still pick them up at the end of legal light.
The duplex in my leupold VX-6 is probably the best I have come across but it is not the same as their standard duplex or at least not the one they currently use. I'm also a big fan of german #4s for this, although some have too thin of a crosshair for my taste.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:11 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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My scope with "trash" glass is just fine up till after shooting time in the woods. The only real advantage a different scope would offer would be an illuminated reticle.
I had a buck come to the edge of a greenfield yesterday at 5:25, the end of legal shooting time (30 minutes after legal sundown here). He didn’t come into the field, instead he walked the treeline. If not for his antlers I would have likely missed seeing him. Despite being only 150-170 yards away, I could not see him good enough to know exactly what buck he was. There are two shooters around there and a couple that aren’t. This was with a 3-18x50 z6 swarovski and a clear sky. Just because you can see your crosshairs doesn’t mean you can see exactly what you are shooting at, especially with cheap glass.
Until I started buying swarovski I didn’t realize what I was missing with Leopold VX-2 and 3. Until I got the z6, I didn’t realize what I was missing with the z4.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 2:26 pm to ToldYouSo1
Hard to find one nowadays, but a Leupold FX-3 in a 6X42 HD duplex is hard to beat at dark and it's perfect out to about 150.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 2:37 pm to captdalton
Judge the buck through your quality binoculars, then put the crosshair on him.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:07 pm to captdalton
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This was with a 3-18x50 z6 swarovski and a clear sky
So the most alpha glass possible to put in a scope still wasn't good enough?
I've never been hindered by my scopes glass quality. Even with large objective alpha binoculars at that range what you can and can't make out is going to be as dependent on ambient lighting and background as anything else.
If low light performance is paramount, focus on a reticle that will perform well in low light. Leave shoot/don't shoot determination up to your binoculars.
Sometimes, its just too dark and the deers in the wrong spot and nothing short of a spotlight is going to sort that out for you.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:10 pm to ccard257
The heavy duplex leupold has in some scopes is pretty great far as traditional reticles go. It definitely seems like the heavier the post the better from my sample of scopes. I also find my 2-8x32 vx3 better than my 3-9x50 vx2, so a bigger bell doesn't necessarily directly translate.
8x56 binoculars is where it's at.
8x56 binoculars is where it's at.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 3:16 pm to 257WBY
I could see him better through my binos than my scope. That is normal. I don’t normally stick the barrel out the window unless I see something I might want to shoot.
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