- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Logging contract questions
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:12 pm
I have about 80 acres in pine and hardwood I am wanting to get logged off. Beetles are eating up the pines and I want some more pasture. I got 4 estimates and the highest dropped off a contract. As I read it I realized that it was all to cover his arse. There is a special provisions place in the contract and I want to make sure I have my bases covered. Anybody have experience bad or good they can share or ideas on what some provisions should be?
4
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:26 pm to angus1838
Myself, I bring the contracts to the blood sucker. One thing for sure is that they must have workers comp insurance for everyone. Even the truck drivers.
If you are clear cutting, make sure you have X amount of loading pads or they will tear everything up. Also, have a time limit set for when they start and when they are to finish.
If you are clear cutting, make sure you have X amount of loading pads or they will tear everything up. Also, have a time limit set for when they start and when they are to finish.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:38 pm to angus1838
I stepdad was a logger, so i worked quite a bit in the field.
Do you have a creek on ur place?
Are they paying a lump sum or by the 1000 biard feet.?
Quality of timber?
Getting money for pulpwood
Is your place dry or wet?
Do you have a creek on ur place?
Are they paying a lump sum or by the 1000 biard feet.?
Quality of timber?
Getting money for pulpwood
Is your place dry or wet?
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:45 pm to lsufan112001
By the load
The quality ain't so good
Yes on pulpwood
There is a creek but it is pretty dry
I am walking some cows right now but when I get back to the house if it would help I will give you the prices he gave me. And thanks for yours and fishfighters help
The quality ain't so good
Yes on pulpwood
There is a creek but it is pretty dry
I am walking some cows right now but when I get back to the house if it would help I will give you the prices he gave me. And thanks for yours and fishfighters help
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:50 pm to angus1838
If you are wanting pasture you should walk the place and find a few of the bigger hardwoods and mark them to be left. Its hard to make shade once it is cut.
Limit the number of load out spots.
Have someone available to count/record trucks as they leave.
Make sure you have a hold harmless clause.
Limit the number of load out spots.
Have someone available to count/record trucks as they leave.
Make sure you have a hold harmless clause.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 7:52 pm to angus1838
Yeah do that.
Is ur creek dry because of a drought or its typically dry. Might want to save some trees along it to maintain quality, if its decent.
Im not up on prices right now but will recognize enough.
Is ur creek dry because of a drought or its typically dry. Might want to save some trees along it to maintain quality, if its decent.
Im not up on prices right now but will recognize enough.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:02 pm to angus1838
find a consultant to help you out
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:24 pm to lsufan112001
quote:That stuff is called BMPs, Best Mgmt Practices. There are manuals dictating what should and shouldn't be done in different circumstances
Yeah do that.
Is ur creek dry because of a drought or its typically dry. Might want to save some trees along it to maintain quality, if its decent.
Im not up on prices right now but will recognize enough.
Here is the LA one:
LA BMP Manual
Here is another manual outlining the sales process:
LINK
Loggers or timber buyers can measure in a couple of different ways and get a large price difference for the tract
Average stumpage values for 2012:
LINK
Hardwoods will also be classified by type sometimes. Green Ash, red oak, and cypress will be the highest priced hardwoods, but I doubt you have them since it is mixed hardwood/pine
You should look at prices, where the loading decks are gonna be, access points, skid row locations, boundary lines, how they are going to sort the timber(poles are a lot more $$$ than pulpwood per ton). They could be giving you the shaft on that. Make sure you get someone to count loads($7/hr for a couple f days is worth it). If they log it when it is wet, it can really mess up the drainage of the property and leave ruts everywhere. You sound like you want them to rip up the stumps, so talk to them about that. Make sure they take all of the slag with them. A large percentage of loggers will up and leave when they are supposed to be picking it up.
If you have a decent value of trees, you should really get a SAF Certified Forester to cruise it for you.
I cant really think about all of the other details because my brain is fried from getting ready for finals, but read the links and you will get to familiarize yourself with the process
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:31 pm to Hammertime
Hammer has most of it.
Remember that you can request load tickets from the mill.
Be up front on everything. Like H said, if going by the load theyre more apt to leave at anytime and can make a big mess.
Stress for them to push the tops in piles for burning.
Small piles left are excellent for wildlife cover.
Id leave a few of the bigger trees.
U get less money for low quality timber, as its harder and slower on the labor and equipment.
Remember that you can request load tickets from the mill.
Be up front on everything. Like H said, if going by the load theyre more apt to leave at anytime and can make a big mess.
Stress for them to push the tops in piles for burning.
Small piles left are excellent for wildlife cover.
Id leave a few of the bigger trees.
U get less money for low quality timber, as its harder and slower on the labor and equipment.
Posted on 7/23/12 at 8:34 pm to lsufan112001
It is a wet creek and there are some some big oaks he said he couldn't cut here are the prices
Posted on 7/23/12 at 9:42 pm to angus1838
Look at the link I posted for prices. They are for mainly LA and MS, and I dont know the distances to mills there, so it could be different
Loggers dont like cutting bigger oaks because the middle rots out in them often
Make sure and read all of the links I put in my last post. You don't want to go into something like this uninformed and lose out on money or have your property permanently damaged. I have seen ruts from 30 years ago in the woods that looked like they had been made that year. Damaging soil/hydrology is probably not something you want to be doing. It would only cause problems in other areas
Seems to me like you are getting royally fricked on the sawtimber. If you have a lot of sawtimber, I would try to negotiate prices, or go with someone else. One truck can typically get 30 tons of smaller stuff so TIFWIW
Loggers dont like cutting bigger oaks because the middle rots out in them often
Make sure and read all of the links I put in my last post. You don't want to go into something like this uninformed and lose out on money or have your property permanently damaged. I have seen ruts from 30 years ago in the woods that looked like they had been made that year. Damaging soil/hydrology is probably not something you want to be doing. It would only cause problems in other areas
Seems to me like you are getting royally fricked on the sawtimber. If you have a lot of sawtimber, I would try to negotiate prices, or go with someone else. One truck can typically get 30 tons of smaller stuff so TIFWIW
This post was edited on 7/23/12 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 7/23/12 at 11:19 pm to angus1838
make them push the limbs into wind rows and burn them off
Posted on 7/24/12 at 5:54 am to Hammertime
Thanks for the help guys I thought it was a pretty good deal cause he was highest out of four. But he is also the pushiest. He calls about every other day asking if I am ready to sign. Reading those links though (thanks hammertime ) makes me realize we have some more talking to do.
Page 1 of 1
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News