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re: Lets discuss home Fish Aquariums

Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:00 pm to
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Also forgot to mention, feed your fish very little for the next week. Just 2 times a day as much as they will eat in about 30 seconds. You do not want any wasted uneaten food in there during this process.


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Also a good idea to let your fish "fast" one day a week.


religious persecution. Shall i let them roam the desert for 40 days and nights too?
Posted by deaconjones35
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:07 pm to
If your fish start multiplying and manna falls from the sky, give me a holler.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:10 pm to
Your little tank kinda looks like the one I got on Craigslist.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:15 pm to
I always had freshwater fish tanks when I was younger. When I build I definitely plan on having one. Fish are pretty badass.


Anyone in Ascension, they have a new saltwater aquarium store on Airline in Prairieville by Hebert Guns. Can't remember the name but I went check it out the other day and they have a nice shop.
Posted by deaconjones35
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:28 pm to
Aqua Hut

haven't been inside but looks nice. I used to frequent Mark's Marine quite often when I had my S/W tanks. I also bought alot of fish and corals online, but it's kind of risky.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:41 pm to
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Aqua Hut
Is that James's new place?
Or is it that guy that used to be on Tiger Bend right across the street from the old Wooldlawn High?
Posted by deaconjones35
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:43 pm to
Not sure who James is. I never made it to the one on Tiger Bend either. Is that store not there anymore?
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:49 pm to
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How big can you afford?
This always seems to be the most important question, right?
Here are my cost estimates for setup and maintenance:
Setup: $35/gallon, which is around $6-8k.
Maint: Monthly expense is around $2/gal ($400/month).
How close are these estimates?

If my estimates are close, I'm not terribly worried about the costs. However, what I am worried about is my ability to keep the reef and fish alive, because I'll bet that's the part of the hobby that can become really expensive.

Smaller tanks present ecosystem problems; Larger tanks present maintenance/upkeep problems. So, they can both be a hazard to the tank life.

I'm trying to find the best balance between the two, and I'm hoping someone on the OB can give me an estimate of the time commitment for the bigger tanks.

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As for me, I've never liked deep tanks(height-wise)...I had a 140g once where I could not reach the sand when I put my hand in the tank... was a PITA to mess with. I have also found wider tanks (front to back)to be better for reefs; more room to create an aquascape with a lot of depth. But again, this is all subjective.
Good insight. I think I agree with you. There's no sense in complicating the situation any further by getting a taller tank when it's not necessary.
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the Chillers to keep the temperature stable... big sticker shock when first starting out!
I knew about the chiller, and I'm not looking forward to that purchase.

What about the added humidity in the house from the tank? How do you deal with that?
I imagine having ~180gal of standing water with LED lights evaporating it can cause some problems.
I wouldn't want to have to remodel to provide ventilation.

What about the salt? Any problems inside of the house with it?
Posted by deaconjones35
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 1:58 pm to
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Setup: $35/gallon, which is around $6-8k


All depends on what you do. But I guess it's a good estimate. For example, to make a 200 gallon look full, you would need at least 400 pounds of live rock. You can save money by buying a couple hundred pounds of live and some lace rock or other suitable rock for a base that will be seeded by the live rock eventually. That's just an example on the variance of a cost.

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Maint: Monthly expense is around $2/gal ($400/month).


Seems a bit high unless you are paying someone to do it? Are you including new fish / corals? Electricity?

Time commitment for a bigger tank is just like a pool. If you do 10-15 mins of work on it everyday, it will be a lot less painful. Just one water change a month and then each day inspect your tank, corals, fish, pumps, etc. Top off with freshwater, feed fish, wipe gladd, etc.

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What about the added humidity in the house from the tank? How do you deal with that?


I never had a issue with this. LED lights are actually ALOT cooler tyhan the metal halides I used to have. I think it will be a lot less evaporation.

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What about the salt? Any problems inside of the house with it?


Another non issue, unless you are a dumbass like me and spill about 10 gallons of saltwater on the carpet. Don't do that....
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 2:09 pm to
James was the wholesale guy in Walker. I haven't been on tigerbend in quite a while but that guy is who sold me my Leopard shark. I know at the time I bought mine it was illegal to purchase but that guy made it happen for me.
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 3:27 pm to
Here's a pic of my Oceanic 110 gallon reef I used to have.
Posted by nahtanojc
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
990 posts
Posted on 7/17/12 at 4:45 pm to
Setup estimates are close, depending on equipment.

Tank/stand $2500-3000 (big range here depending on materials)Go "Reef Ready" or drill your own holes.
Marineland's Deep Dimension tanks have been a popular, widely available tank and are really nice.
Sump $300-400
Skimmer $400+
Lighting $4000+ if doing LEDs
Chiller $1500 I used TECO chillers and really liked them, so I am basing that price off the 1/2HP they have
Main pump $200
Powerheads $1500 (Vortech or Tunze are the 2 popular brands here, and for good reason. They cost more, but are well worth the expense)
RO/DI unit $200
Controller Unit $500+ depending on how intricate a system you get. I have used the Aquatronica and ReefKeeper and both do the job well.

So that's roughly $12k with just the equipment. Of course, that is using all top-brand components which you will most likely end up buying eventually anyway- might as well not waste money and get it the 1st time. Obviously, you can save money in some areas; if you choose to use T-5's or Halides instead of LEDs, you will save quite a bit of $ on lighting.

Stocking a 220 with sand, rock and fish corals can EASILY run you another $10k...just don't do what the TANKED people do and add everything at once; you will shock the system and most likely kill everything you just bought. Cycling is very important.

As for humidity, it won't be much of an issue if you are running LEDs. It will be a huge issue if you do Metal Halides (still done, but have been losing favor for the last few years. I had halides exclusively until my last tank that ran T-5s) To combat the humidity, you may need to install vents directly above the tank and vent the hot air into the attic.
Posted by GonePecan
Southeast of disorder
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 4:59 pm to
Chad, you seem more like someone who would have a worm farm.
Posted by Me Bite
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 5:34 pm to
I've been aquarium keeping for 18 years now. It's definitely something you have to enjoy. I've never done saltwater... I've heard to many cons and have never done it. However, I will one day! The water change requirements depends on the fish and how crowded the tank is. The goldfish will definitely require a water change ever
y two weeks. Goldfish are the dirtiest fish I've ever had. I would definitely recommend a Fluval canister filter if you have the space for it. I would also recommend real plants whenever possible, however the do generate more algae problems. This is just scratching the surface of the basics. Hope it helps.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
179324 posts
Posted on 9/6/12 at 10:06 am to
Fun Update, I'm upgrading her 3 gallon piece of poo aquarium with a 20 gallon marineland aquarium set up. I'm waiting for this aquarium stand before i'm able to set this tank up. Don't think i'll be able to move a 20 gallon full tank easily.

Anyways, i'm excited to get this bigger tank for her and maybe add a few more fishies in it.
Posted by cattleman
South La.
Member since Feb 2006
258 posts
Posted on 9/8/12 at 2:18 pm to
A good size to start, for fresh water, is a 35 gallon. Anything smaller is way too much work to keep clean. If you have tap water you will need to treat it and let it stand for 3 or 4 weeks before you add any fish. Tap water is full of chemical, this also accounts for your cloudiness. Well water works better but I know sometimes it is hard to come by. There are several products that help nutralize the chemical in tap water. You then need to get a good canister filter. The unit may come with one but I would suggest getting a better one off the shelf. Don't skimp here.I have a 60 gallon fresh water tank. I add water periodically as it evaporates and clean about every 6 months. Get a Plecostomus Catfish It will eat alot of algae off of the glass, rocks and about anything else in there. They get along with all kinds of fish
Posted by Who Me
Ascension
Member since Aug 2011
7090 posts
Posted on 9/8/12 at 2:33 pm to
Didn't read through all the pages. Does anyone have one with a mantis shrimp?

Those things are badass. Some pretty cool youtube video's of them floating around. They'll kill pretty much anything thats put in there with them.
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 9/8/12 at 4:03 pm to
I used to have a 55 gallon and a few smaller freshwater tanks. Best I had was discus fish. Had some huge ones. Prettiest freshwater fish in the world imho but they're just too sensitive.

Like the others have said, it's a money pit. Got rid of them all, dug a pond off my back porch, filled with goldfish. Don't have to do much of anything to keep goldfish alive in a pond.
Posted by beauxgy
LA
Member since Feb 2007
3983 posts
Posted on 9/8/12 at 10:04 pm to
I have a 75 with exotic wild caught Petrochromis from Lake Tanganyika. It's a major pain in the arse but it's something that never gets old for me. I used to tote my cichlids from Pentagon C to N.O. in a 5 gal. Kentwood bottle between semesters decades ago. Use Eheim or other quality filters; maintenance is the key although a time consuming PITA. Once you establish a stable ph and biological filtration you should be ok.
This post was edited on 9/8/12 at 10:09 pm
Posted by Cadello
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Member since Dec 2007
48926 posts
Posted on 9/8/12 at 11:56 pm to
I used to have two aquariums..29 and 10 gallons..

I used the 10 gallon for sick fish.

I have had many different species, but my favorites were the smaller fish:
Neons, Mollies, Swordtails etc...

You can put lots of them in a tank, they are inexpensive and the tank stays cleaner than having bigger fish like Oscars.

They are very cool to just stare at, very relaxing.

You can get pumps and filters now that make cleaning a breeze.

I had on of those fish encyclopedias and could probably name 90% of all fresh water tropical fish. I even knew some of the Latin names.

Good luck.
This post was edited on 9/8/12 at 11:58 pm
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