re: Legal firearm transfer in Louisiana

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How would they track the gun to you? NICS checks aren’t saved. So there is no way to trace it outside of you buying it then killing someone nearly immediately. Or The gun store might be assholes and record the serial number to a seller but I doubt it.

*yes they probably lie and save them*

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you joking baw?

gun was in a crime.... the get the S/N. Lets be real, its a hi-pernt. They go t them and say hey who did you sell it to.... they say Academy....They go to Academy.... then say who did you sell this gun to.... they say Tigers0891. Then come to you and say hey where is this gun? and where were you last week on this date?

How much better would you feel if you say "ohh here is the bill of sale when i sold it a few weeks ago to some dude". Rather than having to prove your whereabouts and alibi.

I wasn’t aware of this since I’d never worried about it: JP Gleason (assuming this is still the rule) appears to be correct on the surrender to ATF after closure or transfer of business:

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Section 14.1 Disposition of GCA records. 14.1.1 “Records” for purposes of this section. Reference to the term “records” in this chapter refers to the acquisition and disposition records required by GCA and NFA regulations, Forms 4473, Forms 3310.4 (Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers), ATF Forms 3310.11 (Federal Firearms Licensee Theft/Loss Report), records of transactions in semiautomatic assault weapons, records of importation (ATF Forms 6 and 6A), and law enforcement certification letters. If the licensee was granted a variance to use a computerized recordkeeping system, this term also refers to the required printout of the all A & D records, as required by the variance approval.215 As required by the regulations, these records must be surrendered to the ATF Out-of-Business Records Center (OBRC) or transferred to any successor of the firearms business within 30 days of the discontinuance of such business.216 [Handwritten changes add cite “27 C.F.R. § 478.129” but may just be the above referenced forms] 14.1.2 Transfer of the firearms business to a new owner. In the event that the firearms business is transferred to a new owner (i.e. successor), the FFL going out of business may dispose of the records in one of two ways: (1) close all open A & D Record disposition entries by recording the date of transfer, as well as the name and FFL of the succeeding licensee (or record that the firearm was transferred to the discontinued FFL’s personal inventory), underline the final entry in each bound book, and deliver all records to the business successor; or (2) deliver the records to the ATF Out-of-Business Records Center, 244 Needy Road, Martinsburg, West Virginia 25405, or to any ATF office in the division in which the business was located. A successor licensee, who receives the records from the original licensee, may choose to forward the records to the ATF Out-of-Business Records Center.217 14.1.3 Discontinuance of the business. If the firearms business is discontinued and there is no successor, within 30 days of business’ discontinuance, the FFL must ship the records to the ATF Out-of- Business Records Center or to any office in the ATF division in which the business was located. If the FFL was granted a variance to use a computerized recordkeeping system, the FFL must provide a complete printout of the acquisition and disposition records as stipulated in the variance approval.218

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w much better would you feel if you say "ohh here is the bill of sale when i sold it a few weeks ago to some dude". Rather than having to prove your whereabouts and alibi.

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You think your bill of sale that anyone can print off the internet is going to save you?

I'm personally going to feel pretty darned good in any scenario since they can't use the fact that I at one point in time owned a gun as evidence. If that's the case, maybe Academy committed the crime. The whole point of not requiring a paper trail for private sale is to not be able to trace and create a de-facto registry. I'm good working in that system.

Another reason for a personal receipt is to prove it’s yours if needed. Recall there were stories of police here and there seizing pistols in traffic and other stops if you couldn’t produce a “receipt”.